School Choice - It's Time

I think that message is starting to be heard by the politicians but its certainly always been shared by their voting constituency.

If they go the ban CRT route, the Dems will just reverse the ban when they’re back in office, and no one will be any better off than they are now.

If they go the expand school choice route, it’ll be political suicide for the Dems to try to roll back those changes. School choice is too popular whenever it’s tried.

That’s how I’d be framing the issue if I was a Rep strategist.
 
As if sturg thethe Tom cotton and mgt are all going to be happy with funding inner city kids backpacks.

****. They won't even fund meals on wheels or school lunches.

Sturg throws a fit on planting trees in the inner cities.

Let me pass something on. Experience taught me children will find out, no, hunt down what it is you fight to keep from them

Why do you fear conversations of race amongst the kids or even worse at home?

That is some Freud 101 ****

Pretty sure sturg and thethe are in favor of school choice/ voucher programs, given their posts here. They’re both paying school taxes already. The difference would be instead of funding the public school in their zip code, their tax money would be distributed as a voucher to parents to send their kids to the school of their choice. They wouldn’t be any worse off. In time they would likely be better off because more choice and competition ultimately equals lower cost, so their tax bills might ultimately go down (see link in post #184).
 
Pretty sure sturg and thethe are in favor of school choice/ voucher programs, given their posts here. They’re both paying school taxes already. The difference would be instead of funding the public school in their zip code, their tax money would be distributed as a voucher to parents to send their kids to the school of their choice. They wouldn’t be any worse off. In time they would likely be better off because more choice and competition ultimately equals lower cost, so their tax bills might ultimately go down (see link in post #184).

And better schools would result since the administration is actually answerable to the parent who is of course the person that has the most vested interests in their child receiving an education in line with what they think is best for their development. Those better schools make my property more valuable. Everybody wins but most importantly the child gets the best education possible.

Keep whatever types of schools you want. Lets run an experiment and see how children perform on standardized testing. And when you claim racism we can have comparable groups of whatever POC you'd like. I got my money on a more traditional type of schooling would result in better test scores for kids of all colors and backgrounds.
 
The Republicans have a winning issue sitting in their laps. I hope they use the opportunity to actually expand school choice and improve education options. IÂ’m skeptical. My gut says theyÂ’ll instead simply look to ban teaching CRT, which would be a mistake.

Dude, I apologize that this post turned out so long. I really didn't intend for it to. I was gonna just talk about the CRT but as you can see here, it didn't work out like that. lol

I was sitting in my vehicle one evening outside the Target in Texarkana (over a year ago) waiting for my wife who had gone in to get a few things. While I was out there I got a text from my boss (a conservative) at work. She had been asked by somebody higher up our food chain who had been asked by some of her bosses higher up the U of A food chain whether we covered anything from the CRT or 1619 project. I had never heard of either at the time, but when I heard the year 1619 I knew it had to do with slavery so I did some Google searching on my phone and texted a friend (who is a Lib) for more information. Between my Google searching and my friend's reply I found out more than I needed to know so I told my supervisor that I did and always had covered the important "facts" about slavery and racism in my courses but I did not teach either of those "collections of material". I asked her did she really want me to develop something on either of those things? A little while later she texted me back and told me no, she had just been asked about it.

I teach what I think is right and true. I don't give a rat's ass (and never have) whether it's politically popular with Repubs or Dems. I do and always have felt like both sides have some good ideas and I cherry pick the good stuff and leave the other stuff to rot.

Extremists on the far left want that "if you're white you need to feel bad and be punished for what white people did in the past". I address things that were done that were wrong and we talk about it. To go as far as they do is bull**** IMO.

Extremists on the far right want to whitewash all the wrongs that were done to people of color in the past and talk about "American Exceptionalism" which conveniently dodges most if not all those bad things. Remember the groups of idiot parents in TX a few years back who wanted to "fine tune" the history textbooks by removing most of the stuff about Jefferson and all the stuff about Cesar Chavez (among other things)?

I detest both of those approaches. To me the truth is the truth. I don't whitewash it and I don't deny it and I don't try to create some alternate universe where people of color need to remember the good old days when "they knew their place, and white people need to do permanent penance for their sins" OR some alternate universe where 450 years of slavery and racism and the genocide of Native Americans are "skipped over as fast as possible".

I agree with Steak Sauce's point that we need to have a discussion about all those things, the good and the bad, and I always have done both. The problem is, a lot of people who want to lead the discussions on both sides have their own political agenda. Any discussion though is only as good as the people leading it, be they leftists or "rightists".

I agree with Bill Maher that we need to strive for a colorblind society, but not one that ignores the past or permanently dwells on the past. As a nation we seem to have lost the ability to "multitask" as it were.

We are ALL Americans and like it or not we will as a nation either learn how to swim together or we will all eventually drown together. The whole concept of "everyone who disagrees with my point of view (whatever that is) must be destroyed" is just as wrong as CRT or 1619P or "Repubs are great all the time" textbooks. If we don't get rid of that "my way or the highway" mentality the Chinese and the Russians WILL win and probably sooner than most of us think.
 
did you come up with that retort off the cuff or been working on it ?

A proposed conversation using basic counseling as the model (which the country is way over due for) and all you see is government intrusion.
Lord you got a lot to learn
 
did you come up with that retort off the cuff or been working on it ?

A proposed conversation using basic counseling as the model (which the country is way over due for) and all you see is government intrusion.
Lord you got a lot to learn

I see the government segregating kids by the race, which we supposedly fought to end in the 60's as racism.. and I see the biggest government slappy I know defending it every step of the way
 
I think " segregating " is a very misleading term in this case.
Dividing for conversation to air grievances is not the same as not allowing someone to join a country club .

You have yet to be in counselling or mediation I see
 
Yes children need a safe space to air grievences and that will definitely help race relations.

The left is the most racist POS party I've ever seen
 
As if sturg thethe Tom cotton and mgt are all going to be happy with funding inner city kids backpacks.

****. They won't even fund meals on wheels or school lunches.

Sturg throws a fit on planting trees in the inner cities.

Let me pass something on. Experience taught me children will find out, no, hunt down what it is you fight to keep from them

Why do you fear conversations of race amongst the kids or even worse at home?

That is some Freud 101 ****

My extremely conservative evangelical church of a couple hundred people provides several hundred backpacks full of school supplies to kids in need each year, no government intervention required.
 
If they go the ban CRT route, the Dems will just reverse the ban when they’re back in office, and no one will be any better off than they are now.

If they go the expand school choice route, it’ll be political suicide for the Dems to try to roll back those changes. School choice is too popular whenever it’s tried.

That’s how I’d be framing the issue if I was a Rep strategist.

This is brilliant, but I have a question.

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I dig Tony Stark references and memes too I suppose.

I don't typically like comic book or super hero material, but Downey's portrayal of Tony Stark is one of my favorite film characters. I love the explosion behind him in this scene.
 
I don't typically like comic book or super hero material, but Downey's portrayal of Tony Stark is one of my favorite film characters. I love the explosion behind him in this scene.

Agreed. Plus his life story is a great inspiration. From being basically a derelict drug addict to a mega super star making well over $20M/film is a great story and it all started from him just making one good, positive decision and sticking with it.
 
I thought about Aces when I saw this tweet.

But one other thing that struck me was how many of the facts this college got wrong. Blake wasn't killed and is in fact still alive... The police shooting Blake was almost certainly justified. Rittenhouse lives in Wisconsin and Illinois. He did not drive a weapon across state lines. He was not carrying an automatic weapon. The people he shot were not protesters, but rioters who were themselves carrying weapons.

This is what the university system is producing...

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the above might be one of the reasons we didn't see violence after the verdict
I sees it as a method of defusing a potentially volatile situation.
Communication is never a bad thing

Not sure what this has to do with school choice
 
Out of curiosity, what is the core complaint of teaching the racial history of our nation? Do you object to the interpretation that America has been inherently racist for much of its history? I don’t see how you can look at 250 years of enslaving and stealing land, followed by 100 more years of *open* discrimination and come to any other conclusion.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the core complaint of teaching the racial history of our nation? Do you object to the interpretation that America has been inherently racist for much of its history? I don’t see how you can look at 250 years of enslaving and stealing land, followed by 100 more years of *open* discrimination and come to any other conclusion.

Teaching American history and teaching kids they are modern day oppressors through no fault of their own are two different things.

It works though, because you feel "guilty"
 
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