Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread
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Being in America with no handouts still sounds like a way better deal than going back to the 3rd world. Not sure why that would be nearly enough to incentivise someone to self-deport.
You are right on that - This is coupled with going after employers who employ illegals but I think you are not including things like schooling/medical care in the 'handouts'.
Those will be removed as well.
If this is your criteria, then we can just shut this argument down now. You've already stated you think the US has 25-50 million illegals, despite no evidence to back that up. So when Trump only deports 3-4 million over the next 4 years, you'll claim that another 10-15 million voluntarily left without a trace like a fart in the wind.
So the accepted number when Trump took office in 2016 was 10-15M right?
How many do you think came in under Biden?
Its hysterical you actually think there aren't at least 30M illegals currently in the country.
For 30 million illegals to be in the country right now, we would've had to average around 15k+ illegal crossings every single day over the last 3.5 years without a single deportation. So yeah, that isn't happening.
Only if you're dumb enough to take the accepted number from prior and dumb enough to not understand the gravity of the mass migration that took place under Biden.
But its ok - You have a massive blind spot in this area.
The same number that they used under Trump? Or are the numbers only accurate when a person you like is in office?
There isn't a lick of proof that we have that many illegals. Job growth doesn't support it (majority of them working do indeed work jobs where taxes are taken out). Housing doesn't support it (based on population vs of housing available). Literally nothing supports that. It's entirely a number you made up.
Oh yeah - THe increase of prices of housing due to shortage is certainly because of Americas booming native born population.
Reduced wages becuase of tightening on labor markets becuase of high supply of workers is due to native population.
Who used that number? Those were the accepted figures that were allowed to be utterred but there is no basis for that population figure. It was the same number for decades as if it didn't grow.
Again - Youi just have a blindspot here and thats ok.
The recorded population of both illegal and legal Americans combined has grown over 10% since the housing crisis (where millions of Americans lost their homes). Since that time, we have stopped building houses. I presented the fact over and over again. The housing crisis didn't just show up overnight. The housing market was becoming unstable as recently as 2018. I recall seeing similar homes in my neighbor selling for 15-20% higher than what we bought our house for just 1 year prior in 2017. We searched for homes ourselves in 2017 for at least 7-8 months and houses were barely staying on the market more than a week or 2 before going under contract.
Reduced wages? In relation to what? Reduced buying power for sure. But inflation is the sole cause for that. And inflation was largely the result of printing 13 trillion dollars during the pandemic. Biden's economic policies certainly made it worse, but that printing money was largely the cause.
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Tesla is a good company, but they are a meme stock.
You think the primary valuation of Tesla has to do with how much money they are making selling cars?
They don't just sell cars. But yes, the primary value of Tesla (and any stock really) relies on their ability to make money and overall future outlook.
Tesla is a meme stock and it's been a meme stock since the pandemic. That doesn't mean it isn't valuable, but it's nowhere near on par with Apple, NVDA, Amazon, etc.
Teslas valuation is based on its driverless tech and optimus.
Car sales are completely ancillary to how the company is being valued.