Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

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I'll believe it when I see it - Lots of talk of this always and nothing ever gets done.
 
thethe said:
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I'll believe it when I see it - Lots of talk of this always and nothing ever gets done.
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Will also believe it when I see Congress get on board, and will also wait to see what the overall tax rate will be for high incomes, but I’d openly welcome this.
 
Tapate50 said:
Rabble rabble messaging !
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Not a gripe about messaging, more a light skepticism of how likely it is that an algorithm can be created to do this effectively. They already have people who investigate SS fraud and I’d have to assume there’s already systems in place to detect obvious fraud that triggers additional steps by law enforcement. Maybe there is a way to do it better, but I’m curious what they could do that isn’t already in place.
 
thethe said:
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Everyone underestimates and doesn’t understand Trump.
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I still don’t know how it’s remotely viable to accept that Trump is just saying a bunch of intentionally false things to get people to do something *and* that nobody will ever figure that out and call his bluff.
 
mqt said:
Not a gripe about messaging, more a light skepticism of how likely it is that an algorithm can be created to do this effectively. They already have people who investigate SS fraud and I’d have to assume there’s already systems in place to detect obvious fraud that triggers additional steps by law enforcement. Maybe there is a way to do it better, but I’m curious what they could do that isn’t already in place.
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One thing to consider is that employees in the federal government are highly medicore at best. Elon bringing in real engineering should make a difference of what's possible
 
mqt said:
I still don’t know how it’s remotely viable to accept that Trump is just saying a bunch of intentionally false things to get people to do something *and* that nobody will ever figure that out and call his bluff.
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It's called TDS. For a certain part of the population literally anything Trump says is instantly wrong and causes them to have a nervous breakdown.
 
I do have to say the “undocumented immigrants don’t get SS because they don’t have a SSN” argument is a bit naive. Yes, it’s true that you need a valid SSN to receive benefits, and yes it’s true that the vast majority of these immigrants are not receiving SS benefits, but there are ways to commit Social Security fraud and this population is capable of doing it, just as American citizens do it.

I still wonder what sort of algorithm one could put into place that makes detection of that fraud by undocumented immigrants much more effective by itself, but I’m far more compelled by the argument that we can use data to identify that fraud more than I’m compelled by the argument that nobody is committing that fraud.
 
thewupk said:
It's called TDS. For a certain part of the population literally anything Trump says is instantly wrong and causes them to have a nervous breakdown.
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But his Gaza plan would be wrong and much of the right was having just as much of a nervous breakdown about it as the left. I’m not super confident Trump can continue to aim a gun at his own foot and have other countries bail him out forever. Eventually someone somewhere will say “holy ****, that plan is so clearly bad for Trump that he couldn’t possibly want it to happen” and refuse to engage.
 
mqt said:
But his Gaza plan would be wrong and much of the right was having just as much of a nervous breakdown about it as the left. I’m not super confident Trump can continue to aim a gun at his own foot and have other countries bail him out forever. Eventually someone somewhere will say “holy ****, that plan is so clearly bad for Trump that he couldn’t possibly want it to happen” and refuse to engage.
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At first glance I'm not ok with taking over Gaza. But I'm not going to freak out over what Trump said I'll see where that eventually takes us. I would suspect most people on the right have the same approach. Not all of course. It's very different from when someone on the left disagrees with Trump.
 
thewupk said:
At first glance I'm not ok with taking over Gaza. But I'm not going to freak out over what Trump said I'll see where that eventually takes us. I would suspect most people on the right have the same approach. Not all of course. It's very different from when someone on the left disagrees with Trump.
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I guess my problem is just that the response to Trump proposing taking over Gaza *should* be hyper critical, from the left especially. If the Democratic Party were even remotely competent, they’d be attacking this and hammering home how they’d handle this situation in 2026. But that would require *anybody* in this godforsaken party to do anything but send Chuck Schumer to chant and Jasmine Crockett on tv to call white boys mediocre instead of explaining the benefits of protecting things like equal rights for the disabled when the DoE is shuttered, which will need to be legislated for if we want those initiatives funded, hopefully on a bipartisan basis. Trump is in many ways not a man of the people, but he does like being admired, so I want Dems to start laying out a vision for how they can get him to work across the aisle on working class issues. If we’re going to cut a lot of things regardless, Dems can still fight for how we’ll spend those zillions of tariff dollars.
 
The foreign policy vision of the left has been a **** show for 20 years. They have absolutely no clue what to do aside from say NATO.
 
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