Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

Probably worth pointing out that Iran was DOA and not an issue until Biden opened back up the coffers and begged them for oil

Trumps sanctions had them on life support
 
Tapate50 said:
Probably worth pointing out that Iran was DOA and not an issue until Biden opened back up the coffers and begged them for oil

Trumps sanctions had them on life support
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I’m actually rather pessimistic on the positive impacts of sanctions for peace and security, though that’s obviously not a Trump-centric gripe. The thing about authoritarian regimes is they don’t much care about their people, so I find sanctions to mostly be a punitive measure against the people already being abused by their leaders.
 
mqt said:
I’m actually rather pessimistic on the positive impacts of sanctions for peace and security, though that’s obviously not a Trump-centric gripe. The thing about authoritarian regimes is they don’t much care about their people, so I find sanctions to mostly be a punitive measure against the people already being abused by their leaders.
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Watch the next time North Korea does a rocket test and you’ll see the impact that sanctions have had on their military capabilities.
 
chop2chip said:
Watch the next time North Korea does a rocket test and you’ll see the impact that sanctions have had on their military capabilities.
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My issue is that it causes more social unrest and radicalism which isn’t that expensive and I’d argue is more dangerous to the average American than a direct assault from a foreign adversary.
 
mqt said:
I’m actually rather pessimistic on the positive impacts of sanctions for peace and security, though that’s obviously not a Trump-centric gripe. The thing about authoritarian regimes is they don’t much care about their people, so I find sanctions to mostly be a punitive measure against the people already being abused by their leaders.
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Ok

But they were working.

Just say I want my cake and eat it too
 
mqt said:
My issue is that it causes more social unrest and radicalism which isn’t that expensive and I’d argue is more dangerous to the average American than a direct assault from a foreign adversary.
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Probably true because of the luxury of having fantastic neighbors (Canada and Mexico) and massive oceans.

South Korea (or Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan… or any country in proximity with lunatic neighbors) would disagree with that assessment.
 
chop2chip said:
Probably true because of the luxury of having fantastic neighbors (Canada and Mexico) and massive oceans.

South Korea (or Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan… or any country in proximity with lunatic neighbors) would disagree with that assessment.
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I recognize some of the gaps in my argument, but this is more of a core belief thing for me. I object morally to acts of aggression absent clear and immediate danger, and economic sanctions impact as many or more people in the countries being sanctioned as a bomb might. There’s a reason I’m not the guy who makes these decisions, but it’s ultimately a moral line for me personally.
 
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