Yeah. I don’t think such programs have caused as much harm to white people as have been caused to racial minorities in this country, but I don’t think we should have race-based admissions/hiring/whatever else standards.
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You’re just arguing definitions that aren’t as narrow as you make them out to be. How many thethes or sturgs would need to “rightfully” discriminate against all black people before you’d call it a systemic issue?
Not actually sure what your goal is here. If we agree that existing laws granting preferential treatment on the basis of race should be eliminated, then what the fuck does it matter if I also think black people face challenges that white people do not in this country due to existing prejudices and stereotypes?
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There’s the rub. I don’t believe the overall effects of the policy are as impactful as the effects of racism in this country. I’ll gladly join you in calling for a change to the laws, but as long as we have entire racial groups that can be considered “less than” we still have more work to do as a society.
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and what work is that?
more systemic racism to further them? what needs to be done?
I have an idea - clean up your own culture. Stop abandoning your own children. Stop committing so much crime. That might help is having fewer prejudice against you.
But what does mat want sturg33 to do to complete the "more work we do as a society?"
That’s fine to tell someone participating in such activities, and anybody who does so is not a victim, they’re a perpetuator. I’ve said many times that the political left tends to improperly downplay the personal accountability of those committing crimes and harming others.
But to bring it back to the example that got us here, some future black child being denied a home because they share a skin color with someone who previously trashed the house is being harmed every bit as much as the white child needing to go to Northwestern instead of Yale because of Affirmative Action. Neither is just, but the question is what you want the government to do about it. If you want to be able to discriminate due to personal experience reinforcing stereotypes without the government stepping in, I don’t see how you can also want the government to step in to ensure white people are not being discriminated against for other reasons. By all means, strike the laws that provide advantages or disadvantages to any group, majority or minority. The government should not be participating in providing more or less to an individual based on the group they belong to. But once you get past that, we ultimately still have to decide whether we want to live in a world where people can be denied service/employment/education/housing/whatever else due to the color of their skin. So even if the left might get it wrong, I’m not persuaded that there isn’t a problem worth addressing.
It’s always everyone’s fault but the minority group.
We are also not allowed to use probability to determine future outcomes. If you get burned in the furtherance of “equality” then so be it.
Let’s ignore all of the free housing that blacks hav at their disposal that whites do not.
We are also not allowed to use probability to determine future outcomes. If you get burned in the furtherance of “equality” then so be it.
Let’s ignore all of the free housing that blacks hav at their disposal that whites do not.
acesfull86
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I don’t see what’s rightful about this at all
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The man was robbed of $20K, years if litigation and headache. He'd be a fool not to consider that experience moving forward.
My wife was a waitress while in medical school. She abhors the idea of saying a single racist glimmer. But she shared that it was black families who didn't tip, demanded a free concession, or even refused to pay the bill due to some grievance. Not universal, but consisted and common. Of course, that influenced how she handled future patrons
Car insurance companies charge young male drivers more than young female drivers due to known risk they are taking to insure them. I consider that rightful prejudice against men. Do you not?
Its cute when people pretend there aren't commonalities here despite seeing it every single day. What a great person!
acesfull86
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But he’s attributing the loss to the skin color of the people who screwed him over, when it could’ve been any number of factors. And he’s saying he “wouldn’t make the mistake” of renting to black people again in the future, as if his sample size of one is meaningful.
If the only information a landlord had on prospective tenants was their melanin content and nothing else, and black people have a higher rate of delinquency, then yeah, I’d have some sympathy for basing a decision on such limited information. Except that’s not how that market works.
You can ask for proof of income, employment history, length of employment, and require income to be a certain multiple of the rent. You can ask for rental history and contact previous landlords as references. You can check eviction records. You can run credit checks and criminal background checks (in most places). There’s a vast amount of data, all of it more predictive than skin color, that is available to help make a sound decision.
Thethe is saying nope, I’ll take the white guy with a smaller income, lousy credit, and no references over the black guy who scores better on every metric. That’s not rightful…it’s just foolish.
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You said we have more work to do as a society? What is that work? Bc from where I sit, society has bent over backwards to accommodate the black population, only to receive disastrous results. Hell, until just yesterday they had special disctrict lines drawn just for them to have outsized political power. We can't have voting IDs in our elections because apparently - per the Democratic Party - the black population is too stupid to obtain them. The criminal justice system goes out of its way to be lenient on black offenders, citing nonsense about tougher upbringings - allowing them to be violent again creating more victims. And entire racist law was put into place incentivizing companies to give more jobs to black Americans. They overwhelmingly consume our welfare benefits with minimal improvement in their own lives. City by city offers special programs, benefits, and freebies to black people than they do white people. In the meanwhile - fatherless children have exploded since the 70's and welfare usage has well. They are having worse outcomes than before the civil rights movement.
So I ask again - what additional work must we do as society? Even more blatant systemic racism?
Nonsense. The future black child can get a home right next to thethe. Or even better, get their free section 8 housing that the productive citizens generously give them. The kid denied out of Harvard is likely being denied a better career - one he loses out to a less qualified person instead. And worse -it's not the fault of one"racist" recruiter... it's by design. It's systemic. It's intentional to punish one person based on their race in favor of a different.
I want them to do nothing. There need not be government intervention to deal with a racist landlord. And we need to get rid of the government intervention of racism as an intentional policy.
But that's the precise world that you have created. It's the leftists who have decided it's ok to make law intentional racism.
I want the market to be free to make whatever decision it deems appropriate. If you want to hang a "no blacks allowed" sign on your restaurant window - my expectation would be you would soon be out of business. But who is the government to say you can't make that choice
I'd absolutely take a white guy with lesser income / similar credit / lack of references because regardless of whether or not you want ot admit it the probability I get screwed with the black guy is much higher. Its far more likely that white guy is going to make better decisions with his money.
But hey - You keep thinking this is imagined and we don't have incredible amounts of evidence of bad decision making.
acesfull86
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Then you’re a fool, I don’t know what else to tell you. You claim to be a data analyst, yet you’re saying you’d willingly ignore more predictive variables in favor of less predictive variables all to satisfy your prejudices.