Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
No. ****ing obviously not that Santana.
Since We Had All this Money to Hand Out....Should McCann Have Been Kept?
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No. ****ing obviously not that Santana.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Well Ervin Santana isn't that good a pitcher.
2007 - 150 IP, 5.76 ERA, 5.13 FIP
2008 - 219 IP, 3.49 ERA, 3.30 FIP
2009 - 139 2/3 IP, 5.03 ERA, 5.02 FIP
2010 - 222 2/3 IP, 3.92 ERA, 4.28 FIP
2011 - 228 2/3 IP, 3.38 ERA, 4.00 FIP
2012 - 178 IP, 5.16 ERA, 5.63 FIP
2013 - 211 IP, 3.24 ERA, 3.93 FIP
So you're talking about signing a guy that has only twice in 7 years posted a FIP below 4 while having 3 years with a FIP over 5. And you want to sign him to a 4-year deal? And he just turned 31. Thank God you're not the GM
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
You didn't even know the guy existed an hour ago.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Sure, we might have average 9 or 10 starters per year, but usually you have a couple guys who make just one or two starts. I'm fine with Garcia or Martin or Maya making one or two starts.
I think we have seven who I would be happy make twenty or more starts: Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Wood, Floyd and Hale. There is a falloff after that. The Braves might do something dumb like giving Garcia starts instead of Wood or Hale. If that happens it is a different kind of mistake.
One guy we should have considered was Capuano. He would have helped both with starter depth and our lack of lefty depth in the pen. I remember reading when we signed Floyd that Capuano was considered as an alternative. Maybe they wanted to save some money by only signing one of them.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
You are right about Capuano (Maholm would've been nice, too).
That lack of lefty depth is going to give Fredi all the excuse he needs to put Garcia #5 and Wood in the bullpen coming out of ST.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yeah. I could see Fredi doing that. He has a way of exhausting all alternatives before making the obvious move. See leadoff last year.
The logical thing to do if they want to limit Wood's innings is to move him to the pen when Floyd is ready. Until Floyd is ready, use Buchter or Severino as the second lefty in the pen if necessary.
Or put Hale in the rotation for a while.
Both of those make a lot more sense than putting Garcia in the rotation.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Perfect Cell
Lynchburg Prospect
I don't believe Gattis will be on McCanns level next year like many here but I still think you probably don't go long term at the level the Yankees did with Heap.
I still would have liked to have seen Huddy brought back though.
I still would have liked to have seen Huddy brought back though.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Yes I did. I remember him almost throwing a no-hitter against the Braves a few years back.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
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Agreed completely. I would be less worried about the rotation if we had Hudson here to stabilize it a tad. We all knew Mac was going to leave the Braves. He has a couple seasons left in the tank I believe at catcher, but him being able to DH will really help his career last longer.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Whatever dude. Sorry if you don't remember that game. It was one of only a handful of games that Jo-Jo Reyes pitched good in the majors.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
This "we don't have 10+ capable starters" thing is beginning to be an annual tradition. Garcia wasn't with the braves to start last year and he came in and gave quality production. Year before that they found Sheets to come in and he did great. I remember people worried we couldn't re-sign him. If we need 10 starters then other teams will too. Do you think the nats 9th and 10th starters are any better than ours.
With Wood starting in the pen and Floyd due back in May the Braves have as good of 6th and 7th options of any team. I know everyone hates Garcia but he is a serviceable 5th starter. Wood would be better but like Medlen 2 years ago we know at some point he will get a shot in the rotation. In the mean time he forms a death nail at the end of games with Kimbrel.
With Wood starting in the pen and Floyd due back in May the Braves have as good of 6th and 7th options of any team. I know everyone hates Garcia but he is a serviceable 5th starter. Wood would be better but like Medlen 2 years ago we know at some point he will get a shot in the rotation. In the mean time he forms a death nail at the end of games with Kimbrel.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Worrying about the 9th or 10th starter is like worrying about the 5th outfielder or 3rd catcher. There will be some circumstances where that player gets a lot of playing time. But usually not. And you don't know ahead of time where the injuries/regression will cluster. Last year it was second base. Uggla, Pena, Pastornicky, DeWitt all had issues. So we ended up with Gosselin and then Elliot Johnson. Should we have worried about our fifth string second baseman. With the benefit of hindsight yes. But ex ante, it would not have made sense to devote resources to shoring up the position.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
It was against Hudson, and Santana gave up something like four hits. Reyes didn't pitch (and wasn't even on the team).
BremanFan88
Playing the Waiting Game
Short answer no, long answer nope.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Got my years mixed up. 2008 was the year Reyes pitched the really good game against the Angels. 2011 was the year Santana dominated the Braves.
You never commit long term to a 30 year old catcher with anniffy body type. Also, Gattis is going to be just as good at the plate next year as Mac. Its a crazy small sample but I.was very impressed with Gattis performance against the dodgers. Just had better abs.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
I think long term, Evan is likely a place holder till Christian Bethancourt is ready to go full time. Evan is obviously a better hitter, but I think if Bethancourt is just passable as a hitter, his defense will make him more valuable long term than Evan Gattis will be behind the plate. If there is one position where I would value defense over offense, it is at catcher.
I feel Gattis got stereotyped early on as an all bat catcher but that isn't the case. His pitch framing was exceptional which based on recent studies is the most important aspect if a catcher. I think we are all going to he very pleased with Gattis for the foreseeable future.