So, Sarah Palin screws up a speech

Julio3000 said:
Her incarnation after her run for office seems pretty transparent to me—she's in the enriching Sarah Palin business. She has a schtick which is cloying but crudely effective. It's like she found a grade-school hagiography of Reagan and had a semi-literate meth-addled teenager translate it into cornpone soundbites for her. Her schtick is kinda comically afwul, but it doesn't enrage me. The fact that she gets a platform for it is pretty distressing, though.
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Some people like a good comedy based on reality and she is making a lot of money off of it, from both sides.

Just like Obama and the administration, a circus that is non-stop.
 
57Brave said:
To compare her and her verbal musings to Biden - one only has to look at this example.
Tell me Ace -- what other political figure put bullseyes on the backs of sitting Congresspeople in this day and age ?

After her explosive campaign of 2008 where some of the rallies got down right ugly -- how out of touch does one have to be to think a stunt like this is acceptable ??
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When people like you continue to feed her and make her relevant.
 
57Brave said:
You disagree with Obama on Capital gains tax and I disagree with Palin on whether Africa is a country and the historical meaning of the Bush Doctrine.

You voted for her and the dolt that nominated her for VP -- right ?
The above is bad enough -- he advocated bombing Iran
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and, let's all be clear - a gaffe is mispronouncing someones name or putting the verbal cart before the horse. Being clueless and out of touch is a horse of a different color.

After folllowing Ron and Rand Paul like you do, I thought you'd know the difference
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Yeah - because capital gains tax is a much bigger deal to our country's success. We have a man who says "F*ck the data. I don't care if it helps the country as a whole. I will raise ti out of fairness"

That is dangerous.

Palin is an idiot. No argument here. Obama is a much more articulate idiot.
 
Oh, betcha half the people on this board have no idea what the rate of capital gains is -- not will it ever affect their lives.

Yet my guess -- and this is just a hunch -- 80-90% (off the cuff number ) know that Africa is a continent.

You confuse disagreeing with someone on economics to one that is factually clueless on 5th grade Geography

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57Brave said:
Oh, betcha half the people on this board have no idea what the rate of capital gains is -- not will it ever affect their lives.
Yet my guess -- and this is just a hunch -- 80-90% (off the cuff number ) know that Africa is a continent.

You confuse disagreeing with someone on economics to one that is factually clueless on 5th grade Geography
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I know what the rates are.

The fact is, every time they have been lowered, tax revenue increases. Obama wants to raise them. Over 100M people would be affected.

He's an idiot.

Also, he said there are 57 states... That's gotta be like 3rd grade stuff, right?
 
I can't figure out which is more of an annoyance; people earnestly defending Barack Obama political actions, or people believing that attacks on Sarah Palin's intellect are still at all useful in modern political discourse.
 
Hawk said:
I can't figure out which is more of an annoyance; people earnestly defending Barack Obama political actions, or people believing that attacks on Sarah Palin's intellect are still at all useful in modern political discourse.
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+infinity
 
Yes, Sarah Palin should be irrelevant. She is a moron.
But it's hilarious people claim she's trolling. No, she's just that stupid.
 
sturg33 said:
I know what the rates are.

The fact is, every time they have been lowered, tax revenue increases. Obama wants to raise them. Over 100M people would be affected.

He's an idiot.

Also, he said there are 57 states... That's gotta be like 3rd grade stuff, right?
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I did say 80-90% of people here. So you know what the rate is - I dont. Cap Gains will never have any personal effect on me so I really dont care other than as a source of income. Whether it is viable or not would probably be a discussion for another time in another thread.

In context he was referring to Guam,PR DC etc who all have voting rights is federal elections.
If memory serves
 
57Brave said:
I did say 80-90% of people here. So you know what the rate is - I dont. Cap Gains will never have any personal effect on me so I really dont care other than as a source of income. Whether it is viable or not would probably be a discussion for another time in another thread.
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They effect you because raising the rates does a lot:

- It takes more money out of the pockets of 100+M people. That's less spending, and then less jobs, and a worse economy, which yields less tax revenue, which means less wasteful spending, which means 57 is unhappy.

In context he was referring to Guam,PR DC etc who all have voting rights is federal elections.
If memory serves
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No. In context he was trying to say he'd been 47 states - with one more to go (not counting AK and HI).

But it's more fun to assume he's an idiot
 
Hawk said:
I can't figure out which is more of an annoyance; people earnestly defending Barack Obama political actions, or people believing that attacks on Sarah Palin's intellect are still at all useful in modern political discourse.
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Or people that compare Sarah Palin to Barrack Obama .

Of course it is useful -- to point out and identify the numbskulls that voted for McCain . Which are probably the same people that voted for GWB and Dick Cheney --- twice.
That worked out.

Point being -- look a little closer. Like Sturg's argument that Capital Gains is the defining issue of our times. Wasn't too long ago some kind of drilling or gay marriage were the issues de jour. Y'all get distracted so easily "that shiny thing "
 
57Brave said:
Or people that compare Sarah Palin to Barrack Obama .

Of course it is useful -- to point out and identify the numbskulls that voted for McCain . Which are probably the same people that voted for GWB and Dick Cheney --- twice.
That worked out.

Point being -- look a little closer. Like Sturg's argument that Capital Gains is the defining issue of our times. Wasn't too long ago some kind of drilling or gay marriage were the issues de jour. Y'all get distracted so easily "that shiny thing "
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I voted for McCain. I was wrong.

I can admit that. That doesn't mean I wish I'd voted for Obama. He's been a disaster. GWB parts 3 and 4.
 
Also not sure why you're deflecting. I just posted an example of a really really really dumb thing your messiah said. Doesn't mean I think it's the issue of our times, much like I don't think Africa's geographical location is either (as you do, apparently)
 
sturg33 said:
They effect you because raising the rates does a lot:

- It takes more money out of the pockets of 100+M people. That's less spending, and then less jobs, and a worse economy, which yields less tax revenue, which means less wasteful spending, which means 57 is unhappy.

No. In context he was trying to say he'd been 47 states - with one more to go (not counting AK and HI).

But it's more fun to assume he's an idiot
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Here, I thought you were going to tell me it would affect 79% of the public.
 
sturg33 said:
I know what the rates are.

The fact is, every time they have been lowered, tax revenue increases. Obama wants to raise them. Over 100M people would be affected.

He's an idiot.

Also, he said there are 57 states... That's gotta be like 3rd grade stuff, right?
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Bull****.

Or, at best, highly misleading.
 
sturg33 said:
Go on...
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Lowering the cap gains rate can provide a short-term immediate boost in revenue, as people sell stocks, et., to take advantage of the lower rate. Over time, it costs revenue. Lots of it. OMB says so. CBO says so. Anyone who doesn't is selling voodoo.

That 100M number is also voodoo. That's more like the number of americans who own stocks. Most of those are in IRAs or 401(k) and are not subject to CGT. This is another great example of a tax cut being sold as a benefit to the middle class (it's an inconsequential one, at best) when the major beneficiary is the very wealthy—the investor class, let's say. Those folks already take home more as cap gains then as income, so they're already paying a lower rate. You think lowering it further would add more revenue to the coffers, though?

Make an argument for lowering the cap gains tax, by all means. Just don't sell it as a benefit to the middle class or as a tax revenue windfall.
 
I definitely think we are continuing to be sold a bag of goods about the benefits of tax cuts to the wealthy class. The fact that the wealth in this world continues to be consolidated further and further just goes to show whose agenda is being moved forward. I'm all for raising the capital gains tax somewhere in between the short term and long term rates. I get the argument of double taxation and all but its already been an established norm that capital appreciation and dividends are after taxes so the reality is that those returns are not taxed since we do not know a world where they were ever calculated without a corporate tax. Maybe there should be a tax instituted on those that get a certain percentage of their income from capital gains because at that point is it really indirect income?
 
Julio3000 said:
Her incarnation after her run for office seems pretty transparent to me—she's in the enriching Sarah Palin business. She has a schtick which is cloying but crudely effective. It's like she found a grade-school hagiography of Reagan and had a semi-literate meth-addled teenager translate it into cornpone soundbites for her. Her schtick is kinda comically afwul, but it doesn't enrage me. The fact that she gets a platform for it is pretty distressing, though.
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Nailed it.
 
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