Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

Debating RDS flaws as a human, governor and presidential candidate would be an interesting discussion if it wasnt mired in the very obvious cloud of schadenfreude Team Trump has directed his underlings to feel.

I dunno if you saw but the other day I posted like 10 posts from thethe about how amazing Governor DeSantis has been back in 2020-2022.

But the orders have come down from the orange man and now RDS = BAD!

the foot soldiers are doing their part, ill give them that
 
I dunno if you saw but the other day I posted like 10 posts from thethe about how amazing Governor DeSantis has been back in 2020-2022.

But the orders have come down from the orange man and now RDS = BAD!

the foot soldiers are doing their part, ill give them that

Well you never made idiotic statements like Desantis signing a piece of a paper is his win.

You didn't even know what it meant to have a super majority in the state until I told you.
 
Which areas? Please bring them to the table.

I'm looking at the share of vote the GOP is getting in Texas and Arizona - both with massive hispanic populations.

Both states have declined their share of GOP support since Trump entered the scene

OK... so using math and logic... if Trump is massively growing hispanic support to the GOP, then that means that other demographics must be declining

One exception I can see on this is Florida, where apparently everything expanded to the GOP's favor
 
Well you never made idiotic statements like Desantis signing a piece of a paper is his win.

You didn't even know what it meant to have a super majority in the state until I told you.

umm.. so it turns out that the executive has to sign the paper for it to go into effect.
 
I'm looking at the share of vote the GOP is getting in Texas and Arizona - both with massive hispanic populations.

Both states have declined their share of GOP support since Trump entered the scene

OK... so using math and logic... if Trump is massively growing hispanic support to the GOP, then that means that other demographics must be declining

One exception I can see on this is Florida, where apparently everything expanded to the GOP's favor

Thats an absolute stupid way of doing it because the assumption is that the population demographics are homogenous throughout the state is hysterically uninformed.

So please explain the Rio Grande Valley.
 
Thats an absolute stupid way of doing it because the assumption is that the population demographics are homogenous throughout the state is hysterically uninformed.

So please explain the Rio Grande Valley.

And then tell me why did Trump get a massive increase inside Urban centers that have traditionally always voted D.
 
BTW - Making a statement that look at Texas voting as a whole to show that Hispanics haven't flipped is pretty equivalent to the statement of look at Red State murder/suicide rates.

Just so you know how stupid of a statement that was Sturg.
 
is...is it your belief that the state legislature is doing these laws without the input and direction of the governor?

Direction? No - Input sure.

But in reality they are just representing the people that voted for them and majority of these candidates ran on these policies and are just giving hte people what they voted for.

BIG RDS WIN! Definitely comparable to middle east peace deals and no new wars. I agree 100%.
 
And then tell me why did Trump get a massive increase inside Urban centers that have traditionally always voted D.

I'm obviously too stoopid to understand what raw numbers mean.

So please educate me... how is it possible for the GOP to lose voting share without losing support from any demographics?
 
I'm looking at the share of vote the GOP is getting in Texas and Arizona - both with massive hispanic populations.

Both states have declined their share of GOP support since Trump entered the scene

OK... so using math and logic... if Trump is massively growing hispanic support to the GOP, then that means that other demographics must be declining

One exception I can see on this is Florida, where apparently everything expanded to the GOP's favor

Kari Lake didn’t so well with Latinos btw.

It’s the biggest, non conspiratorial reason she lost that election.
 
I'm obviously too stoopid to understand what raw numbers mean.

So please educate me... how is it possible for the GOP to lose voting share without losing support from any demographics?

Maybe you heard about a scheme called mail in ballots. I knew a guy that used to agree these were bull**** votes. Let me go find that guy.

Maybe that guy will understand it makes more sense to look at specific areas with his Hispanic populations and see their voting history to understand this concept. Can you help me find that guy?
 
Kari Lake didn’t so well with Latinos btw.

It’s the biggest, non conspiratorial reason she lost that election.

Well when you purposefully break the machines in election morning things happen.

I know a guy that used to agree with that.
 
Kari Lake didn’t so well with Latinos btw.

It’s the biggest, non conspiratorial reason she lost that election.

One analysis by Equis Research, which looks at Latino voting patterns, saw solid support for Democrats in places like Nevada and Arizona. Its analysis also showed that in Philadelphia, Democratic Sen.-elect John Fetterman outperformed Joe Biden’s 2020 results with Latinos. In Florida, it was another story. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis won re-election, handily carrying the Latino vote, including 68% of Cuban Americans, according to the NBC News exit poll.

“An overarching story that emerged from this election is that the voters had different stories depending on where you are in the country,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of race and ethnicity at Pew Research Center said of Latinos. “There’s many local stories here to tell about Latino voters that the national numbers mask.”

Hugo Lopez pointed to unique characteristics of Latinos in different parts of the country. In Florida, there are larger populations of Cubans who fled communism and tend to vote more conservatively. There, Republicans have focused on and reached out to the community for decades, specifically around foreign policy issues, he said. In states like Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico, there are large populations of second, third or higher generation families of Mexican origin.
 
One analysis by Equis Research, which looks at Latino voting patterns, saw solid support for Democrats in places like Nevada and Arizona. Its analysis also showed that in Philadelphia, Democratic Sen.-elect John Fetterman outperformed Joe Biden’s 2020 results with Latinos. In Florida, it was another story. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis won re-election, handily carrying the Latino vote, including 68% of Cuban Americans, according to the NBC News exit poll.

“An overarching story that emerged from this election is that the voters had different stories depending on where you are in the country,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of race and ethnicity at Pew Research Center said of Latinos. “There’s many local stories here to tell about Latino voters that the national numbers mask.”

Hugo Lopez pointed to unique characteristics of Latinos in different parts of the country. In Florida, there are larger populations of Cubans who fled communism and tend to vote more conservatively. There, Republicans have focused on and reached out to the community for decades, specifically around foreign policy issues, he said. In states like Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico, there are large populations of second, third or higher generation families of Mexican origin.

So when trump was off the ballot some areas did worse with Hispanics? That’s interesting.
 
Direction? No - Input sure.

But in reality they are just representing the people that voted for them and majority of these candidates ran on these policies and are just giving hte people what they voted for.

BIG RDS WIN! Definitely comparable to middle east peace deals and no new wars. I agree 100%.

wow. you're right guy the governor has no input on policy in his state.

When Florida legislators kick off their 2023 legislative session Tuesday, expect a number of bills that will be red meat for the majority's Republican base.

Among them are major proposals to expand gun rights, further restrict diversity efforts at public universities and expand the ability to sue media outlets for defamation — all measures that shed light on the direction of a prospective presidential bid by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis.

With a GOP supermajority holding power across both chambers in Tallahassee, DeSantis will face little meaningful resistance in shaping the state’s politics as he sees fit, politics watchers in the state said, as he continues to build out a likely presidential campaign.

“Whatever the governor wants to get through, it will get through this session,” said Susan MacManus, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of South Florida. “It’s going to offer some clues — some huge clues — as to what kind of campaign he’s going to run."

Expanding gun rights

Republican leaders have already introduced legislation that would allow people to carry concealed loaded guns anywhere without permits — a proposal DeSantis has signaled is one of his top priorities for the coming session.

“This was something that I’ve always supported,” he said in December. “It’ll be something that will be done in the regular session.”

Under current Florida law, people who seek to carry concealed guns in public are required to get concealed weapons licenses from the state. A “constitutional carry” measure — as conservatives gun rights activists call the bill — or “permitless carry” — the term preferred by gun safety and gun control activists, as well as neutral groups — would eliminate the requirement.

In recent weeks, however, Senate Republicans have combined the legislation with measures they say would increase school safety, like creating a standardized school threat assessment process and expanding a program that allows school district employees to carry guns at schools.

Democrats have blasted the combination as a political ploy to make the permitless carry proposal more palatable to voters.

“They should be two separate bills,” state Sen. Jason Pizzo, a noted DeSantis critic, said in an interview. “They’re not germane. ... They shouldn’t be combined together.”

Cracking down on anything 'woke'

DeSantis’ heavy lean into culture war issues related to education has helped raise his national profile. Conservatives have celebrated his 2022 “Stop WOKE Act,” which in effect curtailed conversations about race in schools; his pressure on the College Board, which appeared to prompt the group to water down its Advanced Placement African American studies course (the group claims it didn't make the changes because of DeSantis); and his retaliation against Disney after it objected to a piece of legislation — dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill by critics — to restrict teaching young students about sexual orientation and gender identity.

He’s not about to stop that approach.

Another Republican-proposed bill in the Legislature would build on those efforts by cracking down on diversity programs at state universities. The bill, HB 999, would consolidate state control over such schools. It would allow the Florida Board of Governors, in effect, to force universities to remove majors and minors in such subjects as critical race theory and gender studies and to bar spending on programs or activities that support them. The Board of Governors oversees the state’s public universities, and 14 of its 17 members are appointed by the governor.

The bill would also give schools’ boards of trustees the authority to review faculty members’ tenure at any time.

In addition, DeSantis and state Republicans are not letting up on their focus on targeting transgender people.



A pair of corresponding bills in the state House and Senate would, if enacted, ban requiring students, educators and other school employees from using pronouns that "do not correspond with that person’s sex." They would also ban school employees from sharing their own pronouns if they do not “correspond” with their sexes and from asking students for their preferred pronouns.






The same bills would also expand the Parental Rights in Education Act, which that critics call the “Don’t Say Gay” law, by extending a ban on teaching students about sexual orientation and gender identity through the eighth grade (the current law implemented such a ban through the third grade).



Going after the media

Another bill expected to get serious consideration, at DeSantis’ urging, would make it easier to successfully sue media organizations for defamation.

The bill, HB 991, would limit the “actual malice” requirement that has traditionally allowed journalists some room for error so they’re not pressured to self-censor while holding powerful people accountable. The term “actual malice” refers to the idea that people acted on information they knew to be false or with reckless disregard for its accuracy.

Notably, the bill would also classify allegations of discrimination against other people on the basis of race, sex, sexual orientation or gender identity as defamation.

Experts have raised substantial questions about the bill’s constitutionality and legality, given that it includes several provisions that would seem to contradict landmark Supreme Court rulings on First Amendment rights.

The bill in essence puts in writing former President Donald Trump’s calls during his 2016 campaign “to open up our libel laws," and its movement through the Legislature would advance the DeSantis administration’s combative approach to the news media.

In a roundtable discussion last month about “media defamation practices,” DeSantis urged the Legislature to act on the issue, saying, “Legacy media outlets increasingly divorce themselves from the truth and instead try to elevate preferred narratives and partisan activism over reporting the facts.”
 
Credit to Ron for having working machines then.

I’ve already praised Ron for removing snipes after they tried to steal his 2018 election. Did you see the numbers I posted which showed about 100k votes vanishing from Broward?
 
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