Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

Why do you think there is so much despair in California?

I know your shtick is to post something about bootstraps now... but here's an opportunity to get something right for once

people just don't have enough gumption...if they moved to arkansas it would help

btw my son lives in san francisco and my mother near sacramento...they haven't mentioned despair lately, but i'll ask them next time i talk to them...do you want me to ask about electricity too?
 
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San Francisco is littered with homeless people and I was there right before covid mania hit.

It has to be the homeless capital of the world.
 
people just don't have enough gumption...if they moved to arkansas it would help

btw my son lives in san francisco and my mother near sacramento...they haven't mentioned despair lately, but i'll ask them next time i talk to them...do you want me to ask about electricity too?

So predictable. A symptom of a truly simple mind.
 
San Francisco is littered with homeless people and I was there right before covid mania hit.

It has to be the homeless capital of the world.

well it is the teenage runaway capital of america...both boys and girls...hope you found what were looking for...if it wasn't for sex tourists like you there wouldn't be any problems
 
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well i'm planning a trip out there in july...i will report back on what i find with respect to despair, electricity and homelessness
 
No friends in California are talking about despair

Unplug from your everything is socialism feed straight to your brain lol
 
I guess I’m a little older than most of the folks pushing the “California is dying” line, because it seems like I’ve been reading the same California Exodus stuff for as long as I can remember. And I guess a certain amount of it makes sense—if living in a place becomes sufficiently onerous to people who have the means to move, and there are other places which are competitive, you’re going to see some movement. This seems to be more cyclical than strictly ideological to me, but who knows. To me, pushing the “red states vs blue states” dynamic seems silly.

There are some considerable, tangible benefits moving from a high-tax, big-gummint “blue state” to somewhere else. One class of emigrants makes that move for purely high-end economic reasons, some make it for purely practical reasons—because that’s where the jobs are in the industry they’re working. Here in SC, locals have bitched for a couple of decades about Ohio transplants. Looking at it from another perspective, our cheap labor and anti-union politics has exploited brain-drain from big Rust Belt public universities and made my community a net receiver of those net-loser Rust Belt states. But to cast that as “blue state bad, red state good” is silly. People come here—after getting superior public educations in their native places—because it’s relatively cheap and the jobs are here. It’s, for lack of a better term, market forces. Same throughout the Sun Belt.

But a funny thing happens when those populations start to shift. People start to say “why are the roads so bad here, why are there no sidewalks, why do the schools suck, why do the parks suck, why is the public infrastructure so bad?” Those questions have already led to significant shifts in local politics. The booming transnational immigrant population—ranging from “higher-skill” tech workers to “lower-skill” support workers, has done the same. Eventually the boom-town dynamic is going to change not only the demographics but also the political economy of the community. Eventually people are going to demand a standard of living that replicates what they’re accustomed to or what they think they deserve. And then, either the community is going to change, or there will be some incremental change over years and then the jobs will disappear to somewhere else where people are cheaper to employ. It’s certainly happened before, right here, when the textile industry which moved here from the NE wholesale, then moved overseas wholesale a few decades later.

If you look at this and say “red state vs. blue state,” I think you’re missing the big picture.
 
To me the most interesting piece of data in the 2020 census numbers released a few weeks ago was Massachusetts. After many decades of the population there growing more slowly than the national population growth rate, Massachusetts saw its population grow faster (very slightly faster) than the rest of the country in the last decade. It has been a while since people have called it Taxachusetts, but it is still a very high cost high tax state. The weather still sucks in the winter. And New Englanders are still as ornery as ever.

But Massachusetts is the home of the highest concentration of the most elite of our educational institutions. And we live at a time when the value of any sort of association with those institutions seems to be higher than ever. It seems that more of the people who go there for that end up staying. And other very talented and highly educated people from elsewhere increasingly find their way there. It has a pretty strong high tech sector (especially biotechnology), along with a very underrated financial sector. That helps to generate high paying jobs for those highly educated people. The restaurants are good. Schools are for the most part good. And downstream lots of people who may not have educations from elite institutions receive some sort of trickle down benefit from all this.

More so than New York and California, people have been writing off Massachusetts for a very long time for its liberal excesses. Quietly under the radar it seems to have either overcome or made the best of those excesses. I will mention that I think Massachusetts is one of those blue states that has really benefited from some very talented Republican governors (Weld, Romney and now Baker) who have at times checked some of those liberal excesses. But those guys all have had a positive conception of government. They have been interested in making it better and more efficient, not tearing it down. Our country will have lost something if the day comes when there is no room for people like that in either party.

It's kind of shocking, but Republicans have won six of the last eight gubernatorial elections in Massachusetts. Maybe that's why they are doing so well!
 
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California is one of the greatest geographies on the planet.

And they just lost net population for the first time in centuries. That doesnt happen from some normal cyclical movement. All else equal, California is the greatest place to live in this country.

You all can keep your delusion. They are exploding in tents, needles, human feces, and poverty.... and taxes of course

A third of their small businesses shut down forever bc of their psychopathic governor who is ONLY letting up bc of a recall.

But don't worry... the idiots who are fleeing will still believe the TV when they say the GOP is literally Hitler 2.0 and vote how they are told. The rest of us get infected with the sickness they are fleeing
 
Normal people know democrats destroyed our beautiful cities.

Fortunately we can reverse the damage but just need a decade of control. Hopefully all the low information voters are learning how inept the progressives and establishment uniparty is.
 
Normal people know democrats destroyed our beautiful cities.

Fortunately we can reverse the damage but just need a decade of control. Hopefully all the low information voters are learning how inept the progressives and establishment uniparty is.

So Andrew Giuliani?
 
30 shootings in NYC this weekend.

this is america

it's literally our culture

it's stupid as ****

but if you worship the dumbest amendment of the document people think is still a bible and think it's the only one that can never be touched

this is what ya get


but i was curious numbers for NYC and then went and found the largest city that is run by a republican

numbers on a quick search were hard to compare to the greatest city in the world but will give it a try

looked up shootings and mostly could only find gun deaths and just not shootings for the republican city

NYC had 462 murders for the 8,419,000 people that live there

Jacksonville, Florida had 175 murders for the 890,467 people that live there


if the republican controlled city of Jacksonville had the same rate of murders that NYC does to their population

Jacksonville would have 1,654 murders in a year at the rate they have now

NYC is greatly safer in than the largest republican hell hole

upside, guess republican cities are better at shooting and killing their people than NYC.
 
Slightly dated report on homicides per capita by state.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-capital-of-the-us-states-with-the-most-murders.html

Top 3: Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama

Bottom 3: Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine

I disagree with the premise of this thread as I think the idea of red states vs blue states is overplayed. The current makeup of the country isn't red state vs blue state, it's urban vs rural. When you look at maps based on how counties voted, you see this. Cities trend very blue and the farther outside cities you go, the redder things get.

Accounting for population, you're about twice as likely to be murdered in a city than in a rural area.

The problem with looking at red states vs. blue states is that it overlooks local government. People tend to ignore local government when in reality it tends to have far more impact on the daily lives of citizens than state or national government. In many places, much of policing and education are left largely to local officials.
 
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