Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

sturg33 said:
Mg guess is the murders in Oklahoma are more likely to be committed by a friend or family member.

The murders in NYC are more likely to be random

But the woman lit on fire the other day should rest easy that she would have died much sooner living in Oklahoma
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Oklahoma is more likely to incarcerate someone like Debrina Kawam. Might have kept her alive.

Nonetheless, the relative decline in life expectancy in red states like Oklahoma is a remarkable thang. Or to put a positive spin on the matter: Blue states have done a remarkable job increasing educational attainment (with a significant wage premium attached) and life expectancy. Red states receive some benefit when those folks retire to warmer climes. No thank you notes or flowers expected.
 
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acesfull86 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/01/04/new-york-florida-liberal-failure/

New York, where I live, and Florida, where I often visit, provide an interesting contrast.

They have comparable populations — New York with about 20 million people, Florida with 23 million. But New York state’s budget is more than double that of Florida ($239 billion vs. roughly $116 billion). New York City, which is a little more than three times the size of Miami-Dade County, has a budget of more than $100 billion, which is nearly 10 times that of Miami-Dade. New York City’s spending grew from 2012 to 2019 by 40 percent, four times the rate of inflation. Does any New Yorker feel that they got 40 percent better services during that time?

What do New Yorkers get for these vast sums, generated by the highest tax rates in the country? (If you are well off in New York City, you pay nearly as much in income taxes as in London, Paris or Berlin — without free higher education or health care.) New York’s poverty rate is higher than Florida’s. New York has a slightly lower rate of homeownership and a much higher rate of homelessness. Despite spending more than twice as much on education per student, New York has educational outcomes — graduation rates, eighth-grade test scores — that are roughly the same as Florida’s.
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I suppose nobody is planning to step up to rationalize this. A liberal government with twice as much funding with worse outcomes across the board...

Meanwhile

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acesfull86 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/01/04/new-york-florida-liberal-failure/

New York, where I live, and Florida, where I often visit, provide an interesting contrast.

They have comparable populations — New York with about 20 million people, Florida with 23 million. But New York state’s budget is more than double that of Florida ($239 billion vs. roughly $116 billion). New York City, which is a little more than three times the size of Miami-Dade County, has a budget of more than $100 billion, which is nearly 10 times that of Miami-Dade. New York City’s spending grew from 2012 to 2019 by 40 percent, four times the rate of inflation. Does any New Yorker feel that they got 40 percent better services during that time?

What do New Yorkers get for these vast sums, generated by the highest tax rates in the country? (If you are well off in New York City, you pay nearly as much in income taxes as in London, Paris or Berlin — without free higher education or health care.) New York’s poverty rate is higher than Florida’s. New York has a slightly lower rate of homeownership and a much higher rate of homelessness. Despite spending more than twice as much on education per student, New York has educational outcomes — graduation rates, eighth-grade test scores — that are roughly the same as Florida’s.
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I think my favorite part about this is the genuine terrible take that compares the budget of NYC to Miami-Dade COunty.

THat's like sturg level stockholm is more population dense than NYC

Miami Dade has a pop density of 536 per square kilometer, NYC has a pop density of 11232 people per square kilometer. It takes a lot more resources to take care of that huge of a difference of people. It doesn't take resources to take care of large swaths of untended private land.

Also as someone who lives in a tax free state, usually that is supplemented by something else. In FLorida it's tourism. You'll pay a sales tax to rent a room, than an additional rental fee to stay there. If FLorida's tourism business took a huge hit, they'd be running a major deficit.
 
All these low crime rates and greater life expectancies has really allowed people to explore their sexual freedoms

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Boy, NC Republicans don’t take losing well. I feel like if a court case involves a state Supreme Court seat being delayed, SCOTUS should step in.
 
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SPERRY, Okla. — In our continuing coverage of three Sperry High School students now charged with rape, FOX23 is learning new details about the allegations of what played out.

The three students have yet to be arrested, despite having active warrants.

This all stems from an alleged sexual assault of another student.

The Tulsa County District Attorney's Office with the help of Sperry Police has issued warrants for the arrest of three Sperry High School students.

The charges listed are first-degree rape by instrumentation.

Despite their ages being under 18, they are all being charged as adults.

The charges stem from an alleged sexual assault of another student at Sperry Public Schools.

When FOX23 first saw posts on social media about the incident, we reached out to Sperry schools, but did not hear back.

Sperry Police said was an active investigation that eventually led to charges being filed at the DA's office.

On Friday afternoon, FOX23 received the affidavit from the Sperry Police Department.

In just three pages, it describes the alleged assault and interviews with the three underage suspects.

Here, the officer describes two of the suspects held the victim down while another sexually assaulted the victim with a hairbrush.

The officer wrote in part, "All of the boys involved were directly involved in the assault and could have prevented it at any time. None of the suspects made any attempt to stop the assault or reported it afterward. When questioned about the assault none of the suspects were remorseful of the assault until charges were mentioned."
 
acesfull86 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/01/04/new-york-florida-liberal-failure/

New York, where I live, and Florida, where I often visit, provide an interesting contrast.

They have comparable populations — New York with about 20 million people, Florida with 23 million. But New York state’s budget is more than double that of Florida ($239 billion vs. roughly $116 billion). New York City, which is a little more than three times the size of Miami-Dade County, has a budget of more than $100 billion, which is nearly 10 times that of Miami-Dade. New York City’s spending grew from 2012 to 2019 by 40 percent, four times the rate of inflation. Does any New Yorker feel that they got 40 percent better services during that time?

What do New Yorkers get for these vast sums, generated by the highest tax rates in the country? (If you are well off in New York City, you pay nearly as much in income taxes as in London, Paris or Berlin — without free higher education or health care.) New York’s poverty rate is higher than Florida’s. New York has a slightly lower rate of homeownership and a much higher rate of homelessness. Despite spending more than twice as much on education per student, New York has educational outcomes — graduation rates, eighth-grade test scores — that are roughly the same as Florida’s.
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Is anyone gonna take a stab as to why liberal government with twice the budget has worse outcomes than conservative government with half the budget?
 
Four extra years of life expectancy is not a "worse outcome"

Nor is higher educational attainment. The faux animus against higher education around here notwithstanding.
 
nsacpi said:
Four extra years of life expectancy is not a "worse outcome"

Nor is higher educational attainment. The faux animus against higher education around here notwithstanding.
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According to the age... 75 to 79 seems good. My grandparents (dad's side) both lived into their 80s and my grandmother (mom's side) is in her 90s. All of them started having mobility issues in their early 80s. I wouldn't want 4 extra years if those years were painful.
 
msstate7 said:
According to the age... 75 to 79 seems good. My grandparents (dad's side) both lived into their 80s and my grandmother (mom's side) is in her 90s. All of them started having mobility issues in their early 80s. I wouldn't want 4 extra years if those years were painful.
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That's an interesting point. I would wager the states that have longer life expectancy also have significantly longer expectancy when it comes to "healthy years."
 
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