Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

nsacpi said:
ok...cherry pick as you wish...Arnold was a pretty solid governor

California would benefit from the GOP resuming its tradition of nominating serious people for statewide office...as opposed to the likes of Steve Garvey and Larry Elder
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The cherry picking is that California is lead by a monolithic party and is catastrophically failing.

At least with the continued census trends, their federal influence will continue to decline along with it
 
chop2chip said:
Citizens of San Francisco are so fortunate they don’t live in Oklahoma. It would be a kindness of Gavin and Daniel Lurie to remind them that they should be so grateful. Perhaps when they bored up all these pharmacies they can nail it to the vacant building.
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Yes. I agree that it would be unacceptable for the people of San Francisco to be told that.

But I suppose we avert our gaze to 50 years of steady relative decline for states like Oklahoma and Arkansas. Cuz it is God's will that things be like that for THOSE people. So for them stoic acceptance of their lots in life.

If San Franciscans should be outraged at the state of affairs in their city what is the appropriate emotional response for Oklahomans? Quiet resignation? Gratitude for their blessings?
 
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nsacpi said:
Yes. I agree that it would be unacceptable for the people of San Francisco to be told that.

But I suppose we avert our gaze to 50 years of steady relative decline for states like Oklahoma and Arkansas. Cuz it is God's will that things be like that for THOSE people. So for them stoic acceptance of their lots in life.

If San Franciscans should be outraged at the state of affairs in their city what is the appropriate emotional response for Oklahomans? Quiet resignation? Gratitude for their blessings?
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We've already went over adnauseum that certain areas have built in advantages that make prospering much easier.

But since you believe it's all policy, what is the appropriate emotional response for Haitians? Gratitude for their blessings?
 
nsacpi said:
+more lifespan, less infant mortality, less maternal mortality, more education, better health, less depression.

and attracting young highly educated people while losing older less well educated folks

but hey those hospitals sure are far away in Alabama
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Have the highest poverty and highest homelessness.

So good that they can't get people to stay there.

Btw, Big Tech is moving out too regardless of your delusions.

https://cybernews.com/editorial/california-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/
 
The irony of BL telling other posters to “try harder” is just amazing lack of awareness (which has tracked since this board started)
 
I love how the village idiot keeps talking about how the low IQ are leaving Cal.

They're actually the smart ones because they want to leave the sinking ship.

A former republican state that was the best in the country has now turned into a democratic ****hole.
 
Tapate50 said:
The irony of BL telling other posters to “try harder” is just amazing lack of awareness (which has tracked since this board started)
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I suppose to satisfy him I'll need to dig up completely unrelated examples that reaffirm my priors

California should be thankful republicans built a juggernaut there, but dems are blowing it!
 
That’s amazing stuff

I love how people put that stuff on their bio assuming anyone cares

It’s a sort of self importance that’s amazing to me
 
sturg33 said:
We've already went over adnauseum that certain areas have built in advantages that make prospering much easier.

But since you believe it's all policy, what is the appropriate emotional response for Haitians? Gratitude for their blessings?
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California is not unique in achieving big gains in life expectancy. Minnesota and Massachusetts, just to cite two examples, have also seen large increases and have life expectancies now 5 years above Oklahoma and Arkansas. This is a much larger differential than in 1970. So do Minnesota and Massachusetts (and other blue states) have these amazing natural advantages that California does. I think not. What they do have in common in public policy that generously funds various public health initiatives.

The intellectually honest response is to acknowledge this and accept that the price of "liberty" as practiced in red states is approximately five years of life. It's not that big a price for something so precious.

When you add the experience of other countries, it becomes clear that life under "socialism" is long and healthy and life under "libertarianism" is nasty, brutish and short. But as a consolation people have their "liberty."
 
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nsacpi said:
California is not unique in achieving big gains in life expectancy. Minnesota and Massachusetts, just to cite two examples, have also seen large increases and have life expectancies now 5 years above Oklahoma and Arkansas. This is a much larger differential than in 1970. So do Minnesota and Massachusetts (and other blue states) have these amazing natural advantages that California does. I think not. What they do have in common in public policy that generously funds various public health initiatives.

The intellectually honest response is to acknowledge this and accept that the price of "liberty" as practiced in red states is approximately five years of life. It's not that big a price for something so precious.
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I'm happy to admit that letting people live their lives the way they see fit will likely lead to faster deaths in many circumstances

It should not surprise me that the academic who called for total isolation, multiple masks, and staying home indefinitely in 2020 sees that as a preferred way to live
 
sturg33 said:
I'm happy to admit that letting people live their lives the way they see fit will likely lead to faster deaths in many circumstances
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I give you credit. Under libertarianism people have lives that are nasty, brutish and short with high incidences of infant mortality and maternal mortality. As compensation the people have their liberty. The relatively short lives of people in places like Arkansas and Oklahoma are a policy choice, reflecting ideology and culture. And that ideology and culture will ensure that the differentials in thangs like life expectancy and educational attainment will continue to get wider.

Unlike some around here I try to be consistent. I believe people should be free to die. They can make that choice individually. And they can make that choice as a polity by adopting policies that result in more deaths.
 
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nsacpi said:
I give you credit. Under libertarianism people have lives that are nasty, brutish and short with high incidences of infant mortality and maternal mortality. As compensation the people have their liberty. The relatively short lives of people in places like Arkansas and Oklahoma are a policy choice, reflecting ideology and culture. And that ideology and culture will ensure that the differential in thangs like life expectancy and educational attainment will continue to get wider.
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It may also spare one of their largest cities from being burned to the ground
 
acesfull86 said:
“Under libertarianism people have…”

We won!? We won?!?!?
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I know some of y'all are waiting for the establishment of the one true Libertarian Nirvana to show how good thangs will be. So forgive me for conflating that with the folk libertarianism that reigns in places like Oklahoma and Arkansas. I know in Libertarian Nirvana wise and low-cost policies will be adopted to ensure life is long and pleasant. While preserving liberty of course.
 
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Massie for president of Libertarian Nirvana! Not trying to imply it is in any way like Kentucky!@!
 
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