Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

sturg33 said:
Whos going to investigate them? California politicians?

You are absolving them by simply placing the blame on climate change.

What we know is the state intentionally chose not to clear the forests. Intentionally chose not to fill water reservoirs. Intentionally chose to pay $750k (wtf) to a water chief to promote DEI. Intentionally chose to promote a firefighting staff who admits to not being able to do the job. Intentionally chose to let criminals loose to start new fires (proven) and loot (proven). Intentionally chose to tell insurance companies they can't offer service necessary for the risk.

You, a liberal, should be more angry than me. You should be calling for resignations. Jail time. It is liberals who are suffering. It is poor people who will suffer more with the inflation bailout coming. It is DEI programs that will suffer due to legitimacy crisis because of thos clown show

But your instinct is to defer to climate change, which i suppose is slightly less pathetic than deflecting to Oklahoma dental records
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This ain’t a team sport, I don’t give a **** that it was Dems in California. Have the Republican-led House do an investigation for all I care. But I’m also not going to blindly trust that a house burned down in Los Angeles because they tried to divert water to Smelts in Northern California just because a bunch of people on Twitter said so.

And it’s not “blaming” climate change. If anything, the knowledge that it’s the hottest month on record and the land is dangerously dry is *more* of a reason to identify what went wrong in CA and what can be done to protect people next time. That more and more massive wildfires are happening is a fact, and whether or not you think it’s due to carbon emissions, it’s still happening. More money and resources should be going into steps that will mitigate those risks and people who believe in climate change should be all that more focused. I would have thought wildfire prevention was the absolute top priority for public safety in that climate.

My complaints are the scapegoating of certain policies that wouldn’t have made a lick of a difference, the rush to promote unverified claims and the blatant disregard for the observable fact that more forests are burning around the world, not just in California. Everything else is and has been fair game if it’ll help.
 
mqt said:
And it’s not “blaming” climate change. If anything, the knowledge that it’s the hottest month on record and the land is dangerously dry is *more* of a reason to identify what went wrong in CA and what can be done to protect people next time. That more and more massive wildfires are happening is a fact, and whether or not you think it’s due to carbon emissions, it’s still happening. More money and resources should be going into steps that will mitigate those risks and people who believe in climate change should be all that more focused. I would have thought wildfire prevention was the absolute top priority for public safety in that climate.

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I will copy/paste.

This is currently the stated position of California politicians

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1. Believe climate change is an existential threat to all humanity

2. Ignore calls to manage forest floors

3. Refuse to capture water in favor of saving a random fish

4. Invite endless criminals to the state who have been proven to being willing to actually start fires themselves

5. Hire a bunch of people who claim that equity is all that matters

How do you earnestly believe point 1, but then do points 2-5?

To add, what accountability should these people face for failing so badly to responding to something they claim to have known was a threat?
 
sturg33 said:
I will copy/paste.

This is currently the stated position of California politicians

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1. Believe climate change is an existential threat to all humanity

2. Ignore calls to manage forest floors

3. Refuse to capture water in favor of saving a random fish

4. Invite endless criminals to the state who have been proven to being willing to actually start fires themselves

5. Hire a bunch of people who claim that equity is all that matters

How do you earnestly believe point 1, but then do points 2-5?

To add, what accountability should these people face for failing so badly to responding to something they claim to have known was a threat?
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For point 2, I’d like to know more about what was done and what should have been done. I’ve read that the fires spread into the residential areas through land that had foliage where this wouldn’t be applicable, but I’m not willing to make any bold claims and am receptive to the idea that this was a failure in policy. I just won’t take Catturd’s word for it.

For point 3, the things I’ve read is that the programs being attacked here would not have provided any additional water to the region, but that there have been other failures to complete planned projects. The latter of which is inexcusable.

For point 4, endless criminals aren’t invited, but whatever. We disagree on immigration policy, shocking development here.

For point 5, I still think it’s largely irrelevant to the current situation given the larger issues. Has there been one person that’s been abandoned in a burning house because they couldn’t find a firefighter able to carry them?

As for accountability, that’s for California to decide. If criminal corruption or negligence was at play, prosecute anybody involved. If it was due to mismanagement, California residents can just vote for someone else, either in a primary or general election.
 
mqt said:
For point 2, I’d like to know more about what was done and what should have been done. I’ve read that the fires spread into the residential areas through land that had foliage where this wouldn’t be applicable, but I’m not willing to make any bold claims and am receptive to the idea that this was a failure in policy. I just won’t take Catturd’s word for it.

For point 3, the things I’ve read is that the programs being attacked here would not have provided any additional water to the region, but that there have been other failures to complete planned projects. The latter of which is inexcusable.

For point 4, endless criminals aren’t invited, but whatever. We disagree on immigration policy, shocking development here.

For point 5, I still think it’s largely irrelevant to the current situation given the larger issues. Has there been one person that’s been abandoned in a burning house because they couldn’t find a firefighter able to carry them?

As for accountability, that’s for California to decide. If criminal corruption or negligence was at play, prosecute anybody involved. If it was due to mismanagement, California residents can just vote for someone else, either in a primary or general election.
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Suicidal empathy
 
I'm trying to imagine any world where I fail so horribly at my job, that 34 (and counting) people die, hundreds of billions of property damage happens, and one of the premier cities of world is destroyed, and the response is to put me on a coaching plan and see if anyone better comes along in 2 years.

Depressingly pathetic. But I guess this is how California got to this point. Their voters are simply too weak to hold them to any standard of competence anymore (he did vote for Kamala afterall, why am I surprised)
 
I'm also trying to imagine a world where the 5th largest economy of the world, who sits on an ocean, who has had record rainfall over years, and collects more tax revenue than any state in in history...

Has a situation where they have no water

But then again, this is the same state, where politician Karen Bass instructed her citizens to unplug their toasters at 3pm in order to keep the lights on in the 5th largest economy in the world

At what point to liberals wake up?
 
Do yall remember back in 2020 during the Floyd riots (that our academic cheered)... and Julia Roberts posted that "looting was the language of the unheard"

I hope, specifically, the people who supported the carnage then, face unimaginable personable carnage now

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sturg33 said:
I'm trying to imagine any world where I fail so horribly at my job, that 34 (and counting) people die, hundreds of billions of property damage happens, and one of the premier cities of world is destroyed, and the response is to put me on a coaching plan and see if anyone better comes along in 2 years.

Depressingly pathetic. But I guess this is how California got to this point. Their voters are simply too weak to hold them to any standard of competence anymore (he did vote for Kamala afterall, why am I surprised)
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They wake up when it takes them 3-5 years to get permits to rebuild. It will literally hit “home” then
 
mqt said:
For point 2, I’d like to know more about what was done and what should have been done. I’ve read that the fires spread into the residential areas through land that had foliage where this wouldn’t be applicable, but I’m not willing to make any bold claims and am receptive to the idea that this was a failure in policy. I just won’t take Catturd’s word for it.

For point 3, the things I’ve read is that the programs being attacked here would not have provided any additional water to the region, but that there have been other failures to complete planned projects. The latter of which is inexcusable.

For point 4, endless criminals aren’t invited, but whatever. We disagree on immigration policy, shocking development here.

For point 5, I still think it’s largely irrelevant to the current situation given the larger issues. Has there been one person that’s been abandoned in a burning house because they couldn’t find a firefighter able to carry them?

As for accountability, that’s for California to decide. If criminal corruption or negligence was at play, prosecute anybody involved. If it was due to mismanagement, California residents can just vote for someone else, either in a primary or general election.
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Hahahah - endless criminals are not invited. This is how you know which leftists are beyond hope.

Absolute clownish take.
 
sturg33 said:
Do yall remember back in 2020 during the Floyd riots (that our academic cheered)... and Julia Roberts posted that "looting was the language of the unheard"

I hope, specifically, the people who supported the carnage then, face unimaginable personable carnage now

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Yes - eye for an eye. Hope all the Hollywood leftists get a state of their medicine. **** then.
 
mqt said:
Meh, my worldview is my worldview. Nobody is coming to me to tackle this crisis, so I’m going to just keep on letting it guide my opinions on the things I observe.
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Yes endless crime is seemingly your goal.
 
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Invite third world trash. Get third world trash outcomes.

They are all going home and no amount of MQT tears will stop that.
 
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/california-wildfires-climate-change-water-storage-land-management-gavin-newsom-democrats-bd78d49a?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

The climate is changing, and human activity affects the climate. But variable rain and snowfall patterns in California are to be expected. Fires will occur as a result. Rather than blame the climate for wildfires, the obligation of public officials should be to prepare for them and, when they inevitably occur, mitigate the damage.

It’s on that score that Gov. Gavin Newsom, the Legislature in Sacramento, and the mayors of Los Angeles have failed. And, judging by the budget Mr. Newsom introduced on Friday, the Governor wants to keep on failing. His proposal skimps on wildfire prevention while boosting spending on Medicaid, green energy and payoffs to the teachers’ unions.

 
acesfull86 said:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/california-wildfires-climate-change-water-storage-land-management-gavin-newsom-democrats-bd78d49a?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

The climate is changing, and human activity affects the climate. But variable rain and snowfall patterns in California are to be expected. Fires will occur as a result. Rather than blame the climate for wildfires, the obligation of public officials should be to prepare for them and, when they inevitably occur, mitigate the damage.

It’s on that score that Gov. Gavin Newsom, the Legislature in Sacramento, and the mayors of Los Angeles have failed. And, judging by the budget Mr. Newsom introduced on Friday, the Governor wants to keep on failing. His proposal skimps on wildfire prevention while boosting spending on Medicaid, green energy and payoffs to the teachers’ unions.
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Its purposeful sabotage so they can claim climate change and push more of their green agenda.

As Musk said, "Incompetency in the limit is indistinguishable from sabotage"
 
I mean California forces it's citizens to go without power every single year. And that is an intentional policy choice. They restrict fossil fuel usage intentionally.

If that's not sabotage what is?
 
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I don’t think a Senator from a state that takes in more federal tax money than it gives back should be calling for conditions on federal aid for disaster victims.
 
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/end-of-a-climate-delusion-wildfires-california-policy-failures-7c4478a1?mod=opinion_lead_pos9

Last year, the premier journal Science put a nail in the question: 96% of policies supported worldwide as “reducing” emissions failed to do so, consisting mostly of handouts to green-energy interests.

And yet certain Journal readers still assail me with the epithet “denier.” They confuse my criticism of Democratic hypocrisy with my imagined views on climate science. As I’ve written back to many, “Don’t think politicians haven’t figured this out about you. That’s why they can give us unsustainable corporate welfare boondoggles and call it climate policy.”

A CNN moderator Saturday urged viewers to vote in an online poll on whether the California disaster should be blamed on climate change or poor leadership. Notice the non sequitur: as if climate change is an excuse for not acting against fire risk.

 
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