Spring Training Gamethread/Discussion

Heyward said:
So you saw all 3 of Beachy/Medlen/Minor getting hurt BEFORE the season.

If so, i got some retail in Reno i'd like to sell you.

Not even a team like the Yanks or Dodgers would survive that, its a freak thing.
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As I've said MULTIPLE times, you don't have to predict any specific injuries. I specifically said we could expect a minimum of three injuries and here we are.
 
You hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Wren hoped for the best and prepared for the best.
 
But I am really tired of this conversation. Can't we talk about how Santana looked today? Thought he looked pretty good.
 
Dalyn said:
As I've said MULTIPLE times, you don't have to predict any specific injuries. I specifically said we could expect a minimum of three injuries and here we are.
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With two guys being out for the whole year? That's tough to prepare for. If they missed a little time instead of the whole year, we had the depth to cover it. Two members of a rotation missing the ENTIRE year really throws a wrench in things. You cannot prepare for that. There simply is not that much pitching to go around. I think guys like Floyd are the best that can be asked for.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Yes it can be. But I wonder how often we will see Fredi challenge calls? I'm guessing very, very seldom considering how little he comes out to argue calls.
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He might argue them more on days he's catching, since he'll already be out on the diamond anyways.
 
Dalyn said:
As I've said MULTIPLE times, you don't have to predict any specific injuries. I specifically said we could expect a minimum of three injuries and here we are.
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Last year we had 60 innings from out non first 6 starters.

Year before was your best example for depth where we had 9 starters make 40+ IP.

2011 6 regular starters 2010 6 regular starters 2009 6 (Hudson being borderline)

Basically, you need 6 quality starters, anything after that usually requires insane luck one way or the other. We went into the season with Medlen, Beachy, Minor, Julio, Wood, Freddy, Hale, and coming off the DL during the season Floyd. We lost 2 of our starters for the season. Not many teams have the ability to cover 2 pitchers going down for the season. Find me that list and I'll give your point more credence
 
zitothebrave said:
Last year we had 60 innings from out non first 6 starters.

Year before was your best example for depth where we had 9 starters make 40+ IP.

2011 6 regular starters 2010 6 regular starters 2009 6 (Hudson being borderline)

Basically, you need 6 quality starters, anything after that usually requires insane luck one way or the other. We went into the season with Medlen, Beachy, Minor, Julio, Wood, Freddy, Hale, and coming off the DL during the season Floyd. We lost 2 of our starters for the season. Not many teams have the ability to cover 2 pitchers going down for the season. Find me that list and I'll give your point more credence
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I've asked for that list multiple times. It doesn't exist.
I really don't know what kind of pitchers people expect to be our #7,8, and 9 guys.
 
Dalyn said:
But I am really tired of this conversation. Can't we talk about how Santana looked today? Thought he looked pretty good.
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Santana is going to have a big year. I really wish that we were able to get a 1 year option in that deal now that Medlen and Beachy should not be in the future plans.
 
We should've traded for Price without trading a current rotation member.
We should have signed Hudson for 11 mil to be our #5 or 6.
We should've have signed Santana for 14 mil to potentially be out #5.
We should've predicted the Tigers would give Fister away for peanuts and cracker jack.
There really weren't that many options. I think Floyd was a solid option as our #6 or 7 guy. That's quality depth. I believe Hale is quality depth.
 
thethe said:
Santana is going to have a big year. I really wish that we were able to get a 1 year option in that deal now that Medlen and Beachy should not be in the future plans.
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He would not have wanted that, though. He wants multiple years with guaranteed money.
 
yeezus said:
I've asked for that list multiple times. It doesn't exist.
I really don't know what kind of pitchers people expect to be our #7,8, and 9 guys.
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I think our overall depth is OK.

Even with our injuries I"d put our depth at something like.

Minor
Julio
Santana
Wood
Floyd
Freddy
Hale
Graham
Martin
Northcraft

Or something along those lines. Our problem is that we're without Santana and Minor at the very start of the season so our first 4 sucks aside from Wood and Julio and of course we're getting the Nationals early on so the complainers will be out in force to start the season.
 
zitothebrave said:
I think our overall depth is OK.

Even with our injuries I"d put our depth at something like.

Minor
Julio
Santana
Wood
Floyd
Freddy
Hale
Graham
Martin
Northcraft

Or something along those lines. Our problem is that we're without Santana and Minor at the very start of the season so our first 4 sucks aside from Wood and Julio and of course we're getting the Nationals early on so the complainers will be out in force to start the season.
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Agreed on all counts.
 
yeezus said:
Yeah, agreed.
Or, if and when he does pitch really well, would we think about signing him to a 2/28 type deal?
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I'd sign him longer than that if he has a good season. It just takes longer for some pitchers to get it.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Blind hope is all the **** we have unless you know something I don't about who's available for the Braves to throw on the mound to start games. I don't know if you noticed the injuries to Medlen, Beachy and Minor or not or the fact that our opening day rotation will feature Teheran, Wood, Garcia and Hale. So it's better to hope he does well then to go in expecting all the ****ing worse case situations possible happening. It's called being optimistic. Damn the negativity on this board is ****ing stupid!
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Take a chill pill dude. I'm a very optimistic person when it comes to the Braves. I never said there was someone better for the job out there. I simply made a comment expressing concern about David Hale based on his career, using numbers to back my concern up. I didn't say he was going to suck, I said the numbers support him being very mediocre to bad in the Majors over the course of a whole season. Am I not allowed to be concerned or talk about why I'm concerned on a FORUM which discusses these things? Optimism? Lol... I am still one of BJ and Ugglas best supporters and you talk about me being negative. You need to calm your emotions and drink a beer or something. I'm sorry I ever expressed concern or wanted to facilitate discussion using actual numbers.
 
thethe said:
I'd sign him longer than that if he has a good season. It just takes longer for some pitchers to get it.
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He's been really good before though.
I don't want it to get in the way of signing Heyward long term.
But IMO he'd be a good guy to have around for another 3-4 years. I just have a hunch he's one of those guys who will pitch very, VERY well here.
 
yeezus said:
With two guys being out for the whole year? That's tough to prepare for. If they missed a little time instead of the whole year, we had the depth to cover it. Two members of a rotation missing the ENTIRE year really throws a wrench in things. You cannot prepare for that. There simply is not that much pitching to go around. I think guys like Floyd are the best that can be asked for.
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You guys aren't going to change each others minds so after probably a week and a half now, you think you could just agree to disagree? The argument is pointless.
 
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