BeanieAntics
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I wonder if we could avoid taking on Tazawa for a similarly valued package? Ozuna/Prado for Allard/Camargo plus something just above filler maybe? I would do a swap like that in a heartbeat
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I wonder if we could avoid taking on Tazawa for a similarly valued package? Ozuna/Prado for Allard/Camargo plus something just above filler maybe? I would do a swap like that in a heartbeat
There are probably a dozen variations that could work. The main structure being Ozuna plus some amount of negative contract value for a package centered around a FV 55 pitcher.
That pitcher might not be Allard, he’s just the one I would prefer to trade. The Marlins may not want Camargo. They might prefer a more MLB ready pitcher in addition to the pitching prospect...like Newk. Who knows, but that’s the framework of how an Ozuna trade would have to work out for the Braves.
Allard plus Newk. Allard is more valuable than Newk. I’m guessing the Marlins will want guys who are MLB ready on opening day, so I think guys like Fried, Newk and Camargo may hold value to them.
An Ozuna trade will almost certainly take one of Soroka/Allard as the centerpiece, and I would prefer to give up Allard. Of course, the Marlins may prefer Soroka for the same reasons. Those are the only 2 premium guys the Braves have to offer that are even remotely expendable.
On the flip side, it may be a year early to trade a talent like Allard/Soroka for only 2 years of Ozuna, so this whole idea may be a bit outlandish. Upgrading LF can’t be done without also upgrading 3b, and probably not without upgrading the BP as well. It doesn’t make sense to spend the prospect capital unless the team is pushing all the way towards 85+ wins.
JxnMissFan
Gwinnett Bound
I think to show goodwill to the fans Liberty Media should just give the team an extra 30 million for the next ten years so we can get Stanton.
Exactly this...
Matt
1:00 Regarding what you think the Marlins *will* do with Stanton: what do you think they *should* do?
Dave Cameron
1:01 Offer to eat a bunch of the end of the contract in exchange for better prospects, then hope he opts out and you don't have to eat any of that anyway.
Matt
1:00 Regarding what you think the Marlins *will* do with Stanton: what do you think they *should* do?
Dave Cameron
1:01 Offer to eat a bunch of the end of the contract in exchange for better prospects, then hope he opts out and you don't have to eat any of that anyway.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I laughed so hard when they have him that contract. Would be amazing if they turn that into a huge positive like that. I would be surprised if Stanton isn't what Matt Kemp is now in 5 years.
Stanton is a much, much better hitter who doesn't rely on his feet at all. Also a better athlete.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
So you're saying Enscheff IS Dave Cameron
I’m saying he steals most his ideas from me, obviously.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Just thinking about Marlins and Stanton.
Obviously Stanton holds a lot of the cards and this could severely limit what the M's are able to do.
But, what if they shifted gears entirely and said we are keeping Stanton but cutting payroll elsewhere. They have some valuable assets that would be worth quite a bit on the open market such as: Yelich, Ozuna, Dietrich, Realmuto, Bour, Straily, Urena, maybe Zeigler.
They've got some contracts that can't be moved under any circumstances: Volquez (TJ), Chen (one of the worst contracts in baseball)
They've got a couple of players with limited value and significant contracts who can't be moved for anything of value and maybe would required compensation going the other way (cash or reduced ask in trade as part of package): Prado, Tazawa, Gordon, maybe Zeigler.
If they moved Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, Bour and Strailey and attached Prado, Tazawa, Gordon and Zeigler, they would cut about $70M of 2018 payroll and a significant amount in years beyond. If they could survive moving all those players but keeping Zeigler, Tazawa and Prado they still cut about $40M in 2018 payroll then would lose another $14 with Zeigler and Tazawa gone after 2018 (Prado has another year, commitment going up by $1.5M to $15M). That would allow them to better maximize the return coming back.
That strategy would put Stanton in the "Dale Murphy" position on a rebuilding team. Then, if you are the Marlins, you ride his contract out until he opts out after 2020 OR, more likely, Stanton changes his tune and allows himself to be traded to virtually anywhere that's a winner. The downside for the Fish would be if Stanton got hurt, maybe a career ending or severely diminishing injury, which leads him to never opt out for any reason or that his performance falls off to the point hwere his value is diminished.
Obviously Stanton holds a lot of the cards and this could severely limit what the M's are able to do.
But, what if they shifted gears entirely and said we are keeping Stanton but cutting payroll elsewhere. They have some valuable assets that would be worth quite a bit on the open market such as: Yelich, Ozuna, Dietrich, Realmuto, Bour, Straily, Urena, maybe Zeigler.
They've got some contracts that can't be moved under any circumstances: Volquez (TJ), Chen (one of the worst contracts in baseball)
They've got a couple of players with limited value and significant contracts who can't be moved for anything of value and maybe would required compensation going the other way (cash or reduced ask in trade as part of package): Prado, Tazawa, Gordon, maybe Zeigler.
If they moved Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, Bour and Strailey and attached Prado, Tazawa, Gordon and Zeigler, they would cut about $70M of 2018 payroll and a significant amount in years beyond. If they could survive moving all those players but keeping Zeigler, Tazawa and Prado they still cut about $40M in 2018 payroll then would lose another $14 with Zeigler and Tazawa gone after 2018 (Prado has another year, commitment going up by $1.5M to $15M). That would allow them to better maximize the return coming back.
That strategy would put Stanton in the "Dale Murphy" position on a rebuilding team. Then, if you are the Marlins, you ride his contract out until he opts out after 2020 OR, more likely, Stanton changes his tune and allows himself to be traded to virtually anywhere that's a winner. The downside for the Fish would be if Stanton got hurt, maybe a career ending or severely diminishing injury, which leads him to never opt out for any reason or that his performance falls off to the point hwere his value is diminished.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
I would be incredibly interested in Yelich or Ozuna.
Probably more-so Yelich because the price of a power hitter like Ozuna would just be insane. We'd probably have to take on a contract like Prado, as well.
Lineup construction could go several ways, but Inciarte CF, Albies 2B, Freeman 1B, Acuna LF, Yelich RF, Prado 3B, Flowers C, Swanson SS, Pitcher would be insanely good.
Probably more-so Yelich because the price of a power hitter like Ozuna would just be insane. We'd probably have to take on a contract like Prado, as well.
Lineup construction could go several ways, but Inciarte CF, Albies 2B, Freeman 1B, Acuna LF, Yelich RF, Prado 3B, Flowers C, Swanson SS, Pitcher would be insanely good.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I like it.
chop2chip
Well-known member
Now there's a contract I'm sure the Braves could eat.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
Yes please!
Inciarte CF
Albies 2B
Freeman 1B
Frazier 3B
Yelich LF
Acuna RF
Flowers C
Swanson SS
I'm guessing Acuna is moved up in the lineup pretty quickly, but that's a great place to start. Plus, he can go crazy with the RBI's there.