Steven A Smith sees the light
- Thread starter AerchAngel
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People sure seemed to love the Bush tax cuts and education credits.
Also, anyone above the poverty level shouldn't require entitlements.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
This is what we were taught, no crap, vote Democrat always no matter what, they will take care of you if you do not work.
I can see that point but I can see the Republican point of view as well, if you work hard, you will get rewarded and succeed.
Why can't both be allowed and not just one? This is what he is actually saying. Give us a chance to actually work and succeed and not depend on the government if we don't want to work.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Most republicans believe in low taxes for everyone. G-Dub lowered taxes for the middle class and the poor, not just the wealthy. This was coming off the Clinton years when taxes were higher for everyone, he was a democrat. They also believe strongly in self responsibility and the need for everyone to work or take care of kids, who is able. They also believe in freedom for anyone to own their own business, propery, etc. They also believe in the US maintaining its position as the superstate. Most democrats don't want that, or don't care. Republicans are also pro growth. Democrats that I come across typically don't care about growth. They just want fairness. Some of the more moderate economically literate ones do though through fed reserve stimulation.
So in a vacuum if everyone were to vote for strictly selfish economic reasons, then I personally believe the middle class and wealthy are better off voting republican (including the lower middle class). Only the poorest of the poor really should vote democrat for selfish economic reasons, as they're really the only ones receiving any worthwhile federal benefits, outside of what everyone gets from basic fed government functions.
So in a vacuum if everyone were to vote for strictly selfish economic reasons, then I personally believe the middle class and wealthy are better off voting republican (including the lower middle class). Only the poorest of the poor really should vote democrat for selfish economic reasons, as they're really the only ones receiving any worthwhile federal benefits, outside of what everyone gets from basic fed government functions.
Where did the notion of pull yourself up by your bootstraps go? This is a major a problem for every race in American society.
Some people in this country really make me sick. 'Give me this, give me that. I deserve this.'
We don't deserve ****. We contribute so little to this country, our communities, etc.
So much of our lives exists purely due to the efforts of those that labored well before us.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
When it is beat into you Adrian Peterson style, you do as they say, but I am a rebel. I don't do what people tell me to do, I vote or answer with my heart and common sense. Voting for one party for freebies is something I can't get behind. Voting for a party that exploit people I won't do.
But since I have that mindset, I feel good about what I do vote for and sure in hell it is not either party. Democrats really hate that because I am black and I should do what I was told to do.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Basically, Baby Boomers are the worst. Had it arguably the easiest of any generation of Americans, and then passed it on tougher to their offspring (late Gen Xers and Millennials)
chop2chip
Well-known member
I'm curious to why you believe this. I don't necessarily disagree with you (that's not to say I agree either because my natural inclination is that this sounds wrong). But I want to give you the chance to expand a bit before I comment.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
When the Baby boomers (born 46-64) left college or didn't and entered the work place they had oppotunities that don't exist today. Essentially post-dotcom boom you dont' see many companies. You can't start at a company on the groundfloor and work your way up. There's already people there. Don't get me wrong, there's still tons of opportunities out there. It's not the same. There won't be tons of startups coming in the tech world anytime soon that become Apple, IBM, Dell, etc. You can find successful startups, but in general, they hit a ceiling pretty hard and either get marginalized or bought out.
chop2chip
Well-known member
I think you would benefit greatly to spend a month in Silicon Valley. I believe it contradicts your claim entirely.
Facebook is what... A decade old? Its already one of the largest companies in the US and still growing and at a good pace. There are a lot of other companies in the US that are very similar.
Now I agree. You can't start out at a grocery store as a bagger and work your way up to the CEO of Whole Foods, but the trade off is that if you have the experience, training and credentials then you can find employment just about anywhere globally that fits your needs much better.
And this has nothing to do with the fact that millennials are blessed stupendously beyond belief to have the technology that we have.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Facebook stepped into a new medium. Even then a decade in tech times is a long time. Look at VR. Far and away the biggest name in VR was Oculus Rift, who was bought out for a mint by facebook, but other VR startups are marginalized because of companies like Samsung or a number of other big companies have their skin in the game make it hard to get involved. Don't get me wrong, opportunity exists, but it's not the same as it was 20-30 years ago.
And Silicon Valley is a curse too. Nothing leads to lost jobs in the US quite as much as Silicon Valley and the tech it produces.
And Silicon Valley is a curse too. Nothing leads to lost jobs in the US quite as much as Silicon Valley and the tech it produces.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
The problem I have with other people saying that blacks have a choice.
No, we don't. We rebel to make our individualism stand out. This is the message he is sending out and I applaud because I had a choice. My parents beat in me to vote Democrat no matter what and if I question them on religion or social matters they say it is NOT an issue, they take care of us after they abused us. WTF answer is that? When you don't work, get money and a roof over your head, that is good? I am thinking a teacher and gov worker saying this, both retired, WTF, really. But they are looking out for others in the family, I understand that, I really do, but still I should make my own decisions on my life not my race.
None of the above will ALWAYS be my vote.
No, we don't. We rebel to make our individualism stand out. This is the message he is sending out and I applaud because I had a choice. My parents beat in me to vote Democrat no matter what and if I question them on religion or social matters they say it is NOT an issue, they take care of us after they abused us. WTF answer is that? When you don't work, get money and a roof over your head, that is good? I am thinking a teacher and gov worker saying this, both retired, WTF, really. But they are looking out for others in the family, I understand that, I really do, but still I should make my own decisions on my life not my race.
None of the above will ALWAYS be my vote.
chop2chip
Well-known member
*grumples Zito as he types on a device devised in Silicon Valley
http://time.com/3733113/hard-math-in-the-new-economy/
Technology has always been a net job creator. So why do so many of us feel that the robots (or algorithms) are about to take our jobs? A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll of unemployed Americans ages 25 to 54 found that 35% believed that they’d been displaced by technology. It’s true that software can do more work that human beings used to do. But it’s also true that Silicon Valley hasn’t dealt particularly well with growing fears about tech-related job displacement, at least from a public relations standpoint.
The truth is that technology has long served as an easy target for employment alarmists–in no small part because innovators tend to tout new efficiencies and cost savings foremost. But as a recent Brookings Institution analysis put it, “Historically, technological progress has created winners and losers, but over the long run, [it] has tended to create more jobs than it has destroyed.”
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Speaking as a Baby Boomer, I don't think we are necessarily the worst, but we have had it fairly easy in comparison to the generations that have come after us. I think the Silents who came right before us had it easier than we did, although they did have to live through WWII (although they didn't fight in it). A bunch of my generation had to go off to Vietnam (I didn't, but would have if drafted).
sturg33
I
LOL... I love people who complain about the companies that make our lives more efficient and eliminates the needs for certain jobs as a bad thing.
chop2chip
Well-known member
especially those whom owe their jobs to those industries
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Technology does cost jobs, we find ways to work different jobs, it's not like machines are replacing us but they're replacing certain jobs. Those people in those jobs may not have the skillset to adapt.
And that's not what I was referring to.
This fairly well kind of states my opinion
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/opinions/wheeler-silicon-valley-jobs/
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Actually wouldn't it make sense that someone in sales wouldn't fight this? With technology advancing you'll see loss of need to have people get you add ons. Follow the amazon method if you would. Cut down on labor massive distribution. Hell When they have drones delivering your package you won't even need UPS and Fedex.
Amazon operates on a loss. I don't think many companies can financially not mAke money and succedd.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Amazon will continue to expand, and continue to make more money.