Talkin' 'bout all extensions thread

Hudson2 said:
I agree about the signing him early. But if I remember they tried to sign him and Freddie a few times and were turned down. And yeah we have more money bc of the new stadium but we're still not a team that goes into FA and outbids bigger market teams. How many times have we ever done that? I can't recall any.
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No.

They tried after 2012 i believe.

I meant i would of tried to extend him after his first or second year.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm talkin about letting one of our own players go to FA and resigning them back.
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Smoltz. Aside from that can't think of many big namers who hit fA that we lost that we really wanted except Glavine. We didn't put much effort into many of the guys we had who hit FA.
 
I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep Sheffield and Tex but knew they couldn't compete financially.
 
chopdrew said:
I still feel like the Braves oughta move CJ while he's at peak value.
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Problem is we have almost literally no one else to play 3B. Only FA out there is Placido Polanco, who's literally older than dirt. Our options in the upper minors aren't promising at all. Only way we could move him is if TLS or Uggla can play 3B and that only works out for us if Uggla hits.

Only way for the Braves to make that move is if we get a 3B prospect type. Only way we can trade Johnson is if we make a move where he's part of a 3 way deal and we bring back a blocked prospect. Something crazy like say Johnson and someone for a starter and some prosects, then Medlen to the D-Bags for Owings. Though Towers is impossible to deal with.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep Sheffield and Tex but knew they couldn't compete financially.
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Tex was gone, and Sheffield I recall us not trying too hard. Sure we would love to compete for players, but unlike those guys we have a much better shot of keeping Jason as he's not (right now) an MVP level player like those guys were close to.
 
They've already sent a message to players, who perform (or will perform) that they're wanted and can offer the security of a LT deal. Minor probably would be the next candidate, and would likely seem open to the possibility. Let's not expect too much though. A lot's been accomplished over the last couple of weeks. So, maybe something else is still brewing, but don't be surprised if that business is finished for the time being.
 
I find it funny that these extensions have raised the optimisim about the upcoming season 10 fold when these extensions have no effect on the 2014 team.
 
Yeah, I've been sportin' a woody for two weeks now. I can't believe they've executed this plan so flawlessly and that so many players have been willing to play ball, as it were. I'd keep going and get Minor and Medlen in.
 
zitothebrave said:
Problem is we have almost literally no one else to play 3B. Only FA out there is Placido Polanco, who's literally older than dirt. Our options in the upper minors aren't promising at all. Only way we could move him is if TLS or Uggla can play 3B and that only works out for us if Uggla hits.

Only way for the Braves to make that move is if we get a 3B prospect type. Only way we can trade Johnson is if we make a move where he's part of a 3 way deal and we bring back a blocked prospect. Something crazy like say Johnson and someone for a starter and some prosects, then Medlen to the D-Bags for Owings. Though Towers is impossible to deal with.
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I think CJ is one of those quality players you keep around and splice in between the stars. I like him a lot. I recognize his limitations, but he does a lot for the club. Especially hitting .320.
 
zitothebrave said:
Derek Lowe being a recent one, Greg Maddux being another one. Well we may not have outbid the Yankmees for Maddux but we got him.
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If I remember correctly Maddux choose a little less and picked the Braves over the Yankees, the same thing Smoltz did when he was a FA after the 1996 season.
 
zitothebrave said:
Smoltz. Aside from that can't think of many big namers who hit fA that we lost that we really wanted except Glavine. We didn't put much effort into many of the guys we had who hit FA.
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Exactly. All the guys, well most of the gius, Hudson, McCann, Andruw, Glavine, Lopez, Sheffield, Drew, ect., that the Braves let go to FA they wanted to keep but not enough to try to outbid other teams to keep them.
 
Let's take a look at a hypothetical roster and payroll for 2017, the year the move to Cobb county is scheduled for.

Minor (12M, last arb year)
Teheran (6.3M)
Wood (4M, first arb year)
2 other starters at minimum (total 1M)
Total for starters: 23.3M

Kimbrel (13M)
Avilan (3M, 2nd arb year)
5 other relievers at minimum (total 2.5M)
Total for pen: 18.5M, Total pitching (41.8M)

C Gattis (7M, 2nd arb year)
1B Freeman (20.5M)
2B TBD (0.5M)
SS Simmons ((8M)
3B TBD (0.5M)
RF Heyward (22M, new contract)
CF BJ (17.2M, last year)
LF TBD (0.5)
Total lineup: 76.2M

Bench (4M)

Grand total: 122M

Conclusions:
1) If the farm system remains productive and generates the players I have filled in at minimum salaries, we can sign Heyward for something in the 22-25M/year range and remain under 125M.

2) If the Braves play on a payroll of 120M or less in 2017, we probably can't afford Heyward without moving a significant contract.

3) To be able to afford both Heyward and Justin Upton (or similar players at free agent prices), payroll would have to move above 140M by 2017.
 
I think a $112MM payroll in 2017 is fairly low ... and doesn't seem to be accounting for a wide range of factors; salary inflation, revenue sharing, increased Cobb revenues.

As I iterated in another thread, it would not surprise me to be well over $125MM by that time -- especially if the team performs well in 2014/15/16.

Also, assuming Heyward resigns, it's possible the team structures his contract to be slightly more backloaded (seen with Chipper, BJ, Hudson's first extension) -- which could provide the flexibility to retain a Justin Upton or sign a David Price. Of course, that's also assuming the 'dynamic young core' remains healthy and happy.

It's almost too early to begin to predict (yet impossible not to wonder about), considering we don't even know the 2014 payroll yet with Minor possibly being the next to ink.
 
Hawk said:
I think a $112MM payroll in 2017 is fairly low ... and doesn't seem to be accounting for a wide range of factors; salary inflation, revenue sharing, increased Cobb revenues.

As I iterated in another thread, it would not surprise me to be well over $125MM by that time -- especially if the team performs well in 2014/15/16.

Also, assuming Heyward resigns, it's possible the team structures his contract to be slightly more backloaded (seen with Chipper, BJ, Hudson's first extension) -- which could provide the flexibility to retain a Justin Upton or sign a David Price. Of course, that's also assuming the 'dynamic young core' remains healthy and happy.

It's almost too early to begin to predict (yet impossible not to wonder about), considering we don't even know the 2014 payroll yet with Minor possibly being the next to ink.
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If we manage to lock up for the next 4-5 years Minor and Heyward, hide yo wife hide yo kids...
 
zitothebrave said:
If we manage to lock up for the next 4-5 years Minor and Heyward, hide yo wife hide yo kids...
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nsacpi said:
Let's take a look at a hypothetical roster and payroll for 2017, the year the move to Cobb county is scheduled for.

Minor (12M, last arb year)
Teheran (6.3M)
Wood (4M, first arb year)
2 other starters at minimum (total 1M)
Total for starters: 23.3M

Kimbrel (13M)
Avilan (3M, 2nd arb year)
5 other relievers at minimum (total 2.5M)
Total for pen: 18.5M, Total pitching (41.8M)

C Gattis (7M, 2nd arb year)
1B Freeman (20.5M)
2B TBD (0.5M)
SS Simmons ((8M)
3B TBD (0.5M)
RF Heyward (22M, new contract)
CF BJ (17.2M, last year)
LF TBD (0.5)
Total lineup: 76.2M

Bench (4M)

Grand total: 122M

Conclusions:
1) If the farm system remains productive and generates the players I have filled in at minimum salaries, we can sign Heyward for something in the 22-25M/year range and remain under 125M.

2) If the Braves play on a payroll of 120M or less in 2017, we probably can't afford Heyward without moving a significant contract.

3) To be able to afford both Heyward and Justin Upton (or similar players at free agent prices), payroll would have to move above 140M by 2017.
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Thanks for taking a shot at laying this out. I like most of your thoughts. My only difference is that I think they should and will go deeper locking in pitching. I've heard your "laddering new arms" thesis and while I like the idea of cost controlled pitching, I don't think even a great organization can count on being able to sub in the next group of arms for Beachy and Medlen (for instance). For all the kudos we got over the years for developing starting pitching, it was a bit illusory since it was Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz - not to mention, Maddux was a signing and Smoltz was a trade. Really, the only top drawer starter we developed and kept during The Streak was Millwood.

So I think the rotation is more costly than what you're projecting. And I think, given the deal they just gave Teheran and rumblings of the one that might be coming with Minor, that Frank considers young starting pitching part of the core, too.

A work in progress. I love it! Locking down your own young players is so much more exciting and fulfilling than buying overpriced free agents. Wanna bet the Yanks waste a pile of money signing McCann? We get more out of Simmons than the Mariners get out of Cano?
 
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