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zitothebrave said:
Gary probably doesn't track cause of population. They're number 1 in Gun Homicides in 2020 and number 2 behind St. Louis. Here's a hint too. Missouri is just a jaunt across the river from Illinois.

Find it weird that you arne't harping on Detroit or Flint as they're liberal etc. Maybe becasue Michigan has much less lax gun laws than Illinois. Similar to why you aren't harping on St. Louis.

Let's look at RAW. In 2020 St. Louis has 263 Murders to Chicago's 780. St Louis has a population of 300K or so, Chicago has a population of about 2.7M
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Yes st Louis is a nightmare.

What does their leadership look like?
 
sturg33 said:
why is that more relevant than St Louis' leadership?
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St Louis has an area of about 66 square miles. Missouri has an area of about 69K square miles. It would be very easy to bring guns into the city from the surrounding areas even if the city had the strictest gun laws in the world.

But you know that. It's why you were talking about Illinois having tight gun laws when talking about Chicago and now you're attempting to make a different point.
 
zitothebrave said:
St Louis has an area of about 66 square miles. Missouri has an area of about 69K square miles. It would be very easy to bring guns into the city from the surrounding areas even if the city had the strictest gun laws in the world.

But you know that. It's why you were talking about Illinois having tight gun laws when talking about Chicago and now you're attempting to make a different point.
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So it is your believe that if neighboring counties had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would decrease?
 
sturg33 said:
So it is your believe that if neighboring counties had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would decrease?
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If we had a national minimum standard to get a gun (registry, standardized laws, waitlisting, etc.) then yes it would. But even without

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2* MN is 1.5
5* ID is 1.3
1* CA is 3.5
4* KY and IN are 4.7 & 5.3, beside 2* IL at 6.5 (and it's a safe assumption that much of those KY and IN numbers come from St. Louis and Chicago fringes.)

I think you need a more granular map, most likely one with demographics cross referenced.
 
The fact that NY, NJ, MA, CT and RI are in the top half prove there is validity to gun control. There is no area of the country more densely populated than NYM.

The states with the loosest laws near the top have smaller populations and make good money. The 2 things most likely to prevent violence, less targets and no real reason to commit a crime.
 
One thing I found noteworthy about the general response from the right on these mass school shootings in particular is the overall lack of a cohesive plan. Aside from shutting down the topic of gun control, you get into some really weird places that range from mental health to divorce to just outright downplaying the problem.

I personally think part of it is that there are many on the right that just want to throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Whether you believe in expanding gun control or not, it’s certainly an argument with potential policy proposals and votes to take. When you just generically say it’s mental health and nobody stays on task long enough to actually expect a policy addressing mental health, it leads to a lack of accountability.
 
zitothebrave said:
The fact that NY, NJ, MA, CT and RI are in the top half prove there is validity to gun control. There is no area of the country more densely populated than NYM.

The states with the loosest laws near the top have smaller populations and make good money. The 2 things most likely to prevent violence, less targets and no real reason to commit a crime.
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I don't know if it proves anything as it's difficult to control for the different variables. As you note, population density and poverty play big roles. The worst states are where those two collide which is predictable.
 
mqt said:
One thing I found noteworthy about the general response from the right on these mass school shootings in particular is the overall lack of a cohesive plan. Aside from shutting down the topic of gun control, you get into some really weird places that range from mental health to divorce to just outright downplaying the problem.

I personally think part of it is that there are many on the right that just want to throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Whether you believe in expanding gun control or not, it’s certainly an argument with potential policy proposals and votes to take. When you just generically say it’s mental health and nobody stays on task long enough to actually expect a policy addressing mental health, it leads to a lack of accountability.
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It's commendable to not overreact to very rare emotional events with "plans" that are very likely to do nothing to help while squashing rights of most people
 
I keep going back to school security. Gun control and mental health are long term issues that don't have easy answers. School security is a problem you can make strides in just by throwing money at the problem. Congress could make appropriations that would allow schools to make it significantly more difficult to be assaulted. You don't even have to turn the school into a fortress. Something that slows down an intruder from gaining entrance by a couple minutes can turn a tragedy like this into a failed attempt.
 
striker42 said:
I keep going back to school security. Gun control and mental health are long term issues that don't have easy answers. School security is a problem you can make strides in just by throwing money at the problem. Congress could make appropriations that would allow schools to make it significantly more difficult to be assaulted. You don't even have to turn the school into a fortress. Something that slows down an intruder from gaining entrance by a couple minutes can turn a tragedy like this into a failed attempt.
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schools got a blank check during covid to stay shut down.

wheres all that money?
 
I see a certain someone will move away from his original point to find anything else to talk about lol
 
If democrats were pushing “pull your kids out of school” as hard as the cult has been for the past few years


Alex Jones and the rest of the q anon cult party would have conspiracy theories that democrats were doing these shootings to make that happen
 
Technology will eventually allow robot security guards to do this kind of work. That way we won't have to rely on the vicissitudes of human courage. Don't think the technology is too far away.
 
zitothebrave said:
The fact that NY, NJ, MA, CT and RI are in the top half prove there is validity to gun control. There is no area of the country more densely populated than NYM.

The states with the loosest laws near the top have smaller populations and make good money. The 2 things most likely to prevent violence, less targets and no real reason to commit a crime.
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Is it a coincidence that DE and MD have a top 10 % of African Americans?

Here's the list of AA % of population...

https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-african-american-states-in-america/
 
striker42 said:
I don't know if it proves anything as it's difficult to control for the different variables. As you note, population density and poverty play big roles. The worst states are where those two collide which is predictable.
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AL, MS, SC are low on the population density end, but still far higher on the violence scale than similarly gun friendly states.
 
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