Texas elementary school shooting…

zitothebrave said:
You know I'm sick of your weird hill you're dying on so let's address this right now.

https://everytownresearch.org/report/city-data/

Jackson MS
Gary IN
St. Louis
New Orleans

etc.

Hmm, Chicago avoided the top 10? In murder rate and Gun Murder Rate, wonder why. Oh yeah because Chicago is the 3rd most populated city in America. So there will certainly be more individual events.

But we know you've never cared about facts. You just spew whatever talking points failed comedians tell you to spew.
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Why would I care about rates? People are.being murdered every day in a place with the stricted gun laws in the country!

What are the rates of a school shooting, since that is of your concern?
 
msstate7 said:
Don't have to check to know you wrong... dr dre, snoop, ice cube, 2pac, and easy e all around in the 90s, so beat rappers ever started in the 90s
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Haha...i suspected i had that wrong. My faith in Mississippians is restored.

Btw there should be a version of Alexa with a southern accent. I kind of like the French lady on my GPS.
 
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The Chosen One said:
Right wingers simply use the same talking points for gun control as they do climate change. It takes years of action to see progress. But like climate change, anytime a solution is brought up in the short-term, long term the only retort from the right is either climate change is fake or "what will that do now!?"

If we invested in green 20+ years ago, we wouldn't be asking these dumb questions about gas prices and waiting for a white knight like Elon to save us. It's sad that it took a billionaire to get electric vehicles mainstream, even though the gas/auto industry crushed electric vehicle progress decades before. We can't have gubment invest in green because it will impact oil/gas profits and hurt jobs. But we can allow oil/gas to stimy climate change progress for decades because they aren't the gubment.

"IT'S NOT ABOUT GUNS IT'S ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH". Same people who always say this always ignore when Reagan slashed mental health funding.

The reason this doesn't happen that frequently in other first world countries is simply because they don't have the same individualist mindset as we do. When something affects the community, it affects everyone. Right wingers don't love this country. They only love themselves. Irony when its liberals who always have their patriotism questioned.

We can't have gun control because wHaT iF thE GovErNmeNt tRieS tO eNsLaVe uS!?!?

But we can't have police reform or take away military style weapons/equipment from police forces because yOuRe dEfUndiNg tHoSe tHaT prOteCt uS!!!
Put your money where your mouth is. The same police you always bend over backwards for, let them be armed and protect us. But something tells me conservatives wouldn't want to be treated by police the same way minorities get treated. So they'll never do that.

We use a 200+ year old document to say abortion was never mentioned, but we also use it to interpret it as we are allowed to have any type of guns that didn't exist then.

We are ALL part of the "well-regulated" militia as the constitution intended, not the actual well-regulated military.


We will never have any meaningful change in this country, because the right wing controls the goalposts to any debate. Nobody moves the goalposts more, and does it better than conservatives.

We can come up with all sorts of laws to make voting more restrictive, but we can't come up with gun laws because it "hurts the good guys with guns".

I don't want to live in a society where every school needs to have bulletproof glass, and needs to be armed by teachers and multiple armed officers protecting it. But that appears to be what conservatives want as their solution. MOAR GUNS.
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Why are people always on the extremes with gun control? After an event like this there seem to be only two sides. One side says any gun control measure would automatically help reduce incidents like this. The other side basically says that gun control is useless, evil and shouldn't be tolerated. It's such a more complex issue than that.

What I can't stand is the first, knee jerk reaction is for politicians on the left to call for background checks. Background checks would prevent almost none of these mass shooting events. Either the person would have been able to get the gun legally with a background check or they took the gun from someone who could get it with a background check. They're essentially useless in these school shootings but they're always put at the front of the line. I have no idea why so much energy is spent on something that's really not that effective these days.

I also can't stand politicians on the right refusing to even have a dialogue about reasonable steps that can be taken. There's just no desire for legitimate dialogue on gun control and that single issue jams the works on other contributing aspects of the problem. Mental health is a huge part of it and the gun control debate jams up any discussion of it. School security is another.

Nothing gets done because no one is willing to put aside the issues they can't agree on and work on the issues they can.
 
sturg33 said:
I know we are not supposed to care about gun violence in Chicago, but if strict gun laws were effective you'd think there wouldnt be nearly 250 killed in Chicago ytd
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Who says we aren’t supposed to care about that?

You’re such a disingenuous pompous little **** lol
 
sturg33 said:
Why would I care about rates? People are.being murdered every day in a place with the stricted gun laws in the country!

What are the rates of a school shooting, since that is of your concern?
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Classic sturg doesn't have a point so he zags. Can't use talking point A so he goes to talking point B.

Here's a fact. Chicago has more people, there are more people to break the law

You're basically like "Hey I know a guy who's condom broke on him, so I'll never wear a condom"
 
Schools are apparently NOT secure. Nightclubs have tighter security. The only reason I can think of that would drive a lunatic to pick them. I can see why if you hate gay people and are somehow demented enough to think they are satan spawn you head to a gay club to shoot up. Also- if you hate some religious group you head to their place of worship.... all those are demented sick things to do but I get the target. But schools? Man... elementary schools? We are producing some sick sick people. We have failed what appears to be 25 years worth of youth and coping with real life.
 
Tapate50 said:
Schools are apparently NOT secure. Nightclubs have tighter security. The only reason I can think of that would drive a lunatic to pic them. I get that if you hate gay people and are somehow demented enough to think they are satan spawn you head to a gay club to shoot up. Also- if you hate some religious group you head to their place of worship.... all those are demented sick things to do but I get the target. But schools? Man... elementary schools? We are producing some sick sick people. We have failed what appears to be 25 years worth of youth and coping with real life.
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We should make it easier for those people to get guns
 
Tapate50 said:
Schools are apparently NOT secure. Nightclubs have tighter security. The only reason I can think of that would drive a lunatic to pic them. I get that if you hate gay people and are somehow demented enough to think they are satan spawn you head to a gay club to shoot up. Also- if you hate some religious group you head to their place of worship.... all those are demented sick things to do but I get the target. But schools? Man... elementary schools? We are producing some sick sick people. We have failed what appears to be 25 years worth of youth and coping with real life.
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We'll find out a bit more about this particular guy. But some people HATE their schools. It is where they were bullied and suffered other forms of humiliation. And sometimes they transfer that hatred to a school that might not be the one they attended.

I was once struck once by the tone my son and one of his friends had when driving them back from school at the temple (they were preparing for their Bar Mitzvah). They just hated the whole experience. Now not every kid who feels like that is going to go shoot up the school (temple/church/whatever). But you'd be surprised what people grow up hating.
 
For the Chicago stupidity from the dunce though

Most of the guns in Chicago aren’t bought in Chicago. They are bought in near by states where laws are more relaxed and then trafficked into Chicago cause it’s easier to get them in Indiana or Wisconsin

But none of this matter to that fraud. He has his points that he thinks will “own the Libs”
 
goldfly said:
For the Chicago stupidity from the dunce though

Most of the guns in Chicago aren’t bought in Chicago. They are bought in near by states where laws are more relaxed and then trafficked into Chicago cause it’s easier to get them in Indiana or Wisconsin

But none of this matter to that fraud. He has his points that he thinks will “own the Libs”
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Wait are you suggesting that those strict gun laws didn't stop psychopaths from getting a gun?
 
zitothebrave said:
Classic sturg doesn't have a point so he zags. Can't use talking point A so he goes to talking point B.

Here's a fact. Chicago has more people, there are more people to break the law

You're basically like "Hey I know a guy who's condom broke on him, so I'll never wear a condom"
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huh?
 
nsacpi said:
We'll find out a bit more about this particular guy. But some people HATE their schools. It is where they were bullied and suffered other forms of humiliation. And sometimes they transfer that hatred to a school that might not be the one they attended.

I was once struck once by the tone my son and one of his friends had when driving them back from school at the temple (they were preparing for their Bar Mitzvah). They just hated the whole experience. Now not every kid who feels like that is going to go shoot up the school (temple/church/whatever). But you'd be surprised what people grow up hating.
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So like sometime in the late 90s people started hating their schools so much they got the idea to shoot them up?

What changed?
 
striker42 said:
Why are people always on the extremes with gun control? After an event like this there seem to be only two sides. One side says any gun control measure would automatically help reduce incidents like this. The other side basically says that gun control is useless, evil and shouldn't be tolerated. It's such a more complex issue than that.

What I can't stand is the first, knee jerk reaction is for politicians on the left to call for background checks. Background checks would prevent almost none of these mass shooting events. Either the person would have been able to get the gun legally with a background check or they took the gun from someone who could get it with a background check. They're essentially useless in these school shootings but they're always put at the front of the line. I have no idea why so much energy is spent on something that's really not that effective these days.

I also can't stand politicians on the right refusing to even have a dialogue about reasonable steps that can be taken. There's just no desire for legitimate dialogue on gun control and that single issue jams the works on other contributing aspects of the problem. Mental health is a huge part of it and the gun control debate jams up any discussion of it. School security is another.

Nothing gets done because no one is willing to put aside the issues they can't agree on and work on the issues they can.
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This is a masterclass strategy by right wingers since the tobacco industry.

Force the discussion to be so extreme that nothing will ever come from it, except those profiting from it.

We can't discuss steps to tackle climate change, because there's still a debate in this country about whether or not it's actually real. Thus, the only people who are still profiting from it are the oil and gas industry. Oil and gas know electric and nuclear are the future, they're just spending as much money as they can to delay it.

We can't discuss steps to tackle gun violence, because if one side keeps spouting off non-sense that the end game is all guns are taken, the government will enslave us all, or we'll be invaded by another country, then of course you'll never have meaningful dialogue, and the only people profiting are the gun and ammo manufacturers.

We can't discuss steps to reform policing in this country, because if one side keeps spouting off non-sense that one side of the country wants to eliminate police entirely, then you can't have an adult conversation about fixing policing and police reform in this country.

There is no one clear cut solution that would end all mass shootings. But less guns in circulation would for sure, decrease the amount of mass shootings and reduce gun violence in general. We have spent years fearmongering people into putting more guns in the circulation, and given bad guys easy access to acquire guns, that it's almost a TOO BIG TO FAIL situation. We have so many guns unnecessarily in circulation that reducing them will only make people more attracted to fearmongering that someone is going to break in their house at 2am and hold them up with a gun.
 
sturg33 said:
Wait are you suggesting that those strict gun laws didn't stop psychopaths from getting a gun?
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If that’s what you read

You’re dumber than you act

But as you said, “called it”

“ He has his points that he thinks will “own the Libs””
 
I love also that more blame in this thread from the idiot Communists has been directed at right-wingers, greg about, and the guns, then the psychopath who killed the kids

political agenda >>>> all
 
sturg33 said:
I love also that more blame in this thread from the idiot Communists has been directed at right-wingers, greg about, and the guns, then the psychopath who killed the kids

political agenda >>>> all
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Yes, because the first action from conservatives when things like this happen is "THIS IS ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH".

And of course, any talk of providing funding for healthcare in general, let alone mental health is immediately squashed.

Conservatives simply don't see a problem with gun violence or mass shootings, and their goal is to keep kicking the can down the road further and further.


Let's blame rap music and video games.
 
The Chosen One said:
Yes, because the first action from conservatives when things like this happen is "THIS IS ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH".

And of course, any talk of providing funding for healthcare in general, let alone mental health is immediately squashed.

Conservatives simply don't see a problem with gun violence or mass shootings, and their goal is to keep kicking the can down the road further and further.


Let's blame rap music and video games.
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such a perfect seal response.

the same people who forced kids in inside with masks for two year and made them watch a screen for 8 hours a day are whining about mental health.,

mental health is an enormous crisis in this country and you can be damn sure I don't think the solution is handing our worthless government more money to make it worse.

buy by all means... get excited! you got an event that you can make your talking points on again!
 
Tapate50 said:
So like sometime in the late 90s people started hating their schools so much they got the idea to shoot them up?

What changed?
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I've only cited data from 1990 onwards. I see no break in the data. If anything there is a slight decrease in mass shootings at schools in the past 22 years compared to the 1990s. The data are broadly the same over the whole period. You have to squint really hard and use your imagination if you want to make the argument that something triggered a change. Maybe if we went back further to the 1970s and 1980s there would be evidence of a change.
 
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