The Art of a Deal

sturg33 said:
It's the complete obsession about from leftists as opposed to the things that actually matter to people's lives


The left would be completely fine with NUCLEAR war as long as Trump is in jail. It's really ****ing bizarre how much he owns yall
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Yeah the Biden admin should really spend more time putting those policies in place you hate rather than prosecuting crimes. You werent arguing this **** when Hillary had 2 documents classified after being put on her server. And you are the only one worried about nuclear war.
 
Garmel said:
Trump's lawyers have put in writing the Judicial Watch vs NARA case and gave it to the courts. It's the elephant in the room that everyone's ignoring. Whether you like it or not Trump followed legal precedent. Perhaps you should read it.
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1. Clinton had tapes of interviews he did with a historian. That is not a document or government record.

2. Even if we apply that precedent to these documents that only absolves Trump from civil lawsuits by NARA since the Presidential Records Act is more of a suggestion than a law with criminal consequences.

3. This is about classified documents and the espionage act. Judicial Watch vs NARA has nothing to do with classified documents or the espionage act.
 
Nah we gotta GET HIM for his DOCUMENTS!!!

While the left marches us to nuclear war

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cajunrevenge said:
1. Clinton had tapes of interviews he did with a historian. That is not a document or government record.

2. Even if we apply that precedent to these documents that only absolves Trump from civil lawsuits by NARA since the Presidential Records Act is more of a suggestion than a law with criminal consequences.

3. This is about classified documents and the espionage act. Judicial Watch vs NARA has nothing to do with classified documents or the espionage act.
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It is a government record because on those tapes there was classified information. They were classified. JW vs NARA is about classified information no matter the form it's in. You're parroting MSM narratives that I've heard a million times.

Once again, read the decision and quit listening to the MSM.

In her decision the judge stated that presidents have the ultimate authority in what is declassified and what are presidential records. She made no distinction between tapes, documents, etc..
 
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Ah, so nuclear war is the new hoax you think is going to bring down Joe Biden.



Disclaimer for Garmel - I am mocking Sturg and thethes claims that everything was an attempt to take down Trump during his Presidency.
 
You could see this coming a mile away (break down of the leftists on this forum) as time progressed.

House or cards, or house of paper as Tap noted, is all coming down.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Ah, so nuclear war is the new hoax you think is going to bring down Joe Biden.



Disclaimer for Garmel - I am mocking Sturg and thethes claims that everything was an attempt to take down Trump during his Presidency.
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Oh, I understand sarcasm. I just give you a hard time when you can't remember what you say from day to day.
 
Garmel said:
It is a government record because on those tapes there was classified information. They were classified. JW vs NARA is about classified information no matter the form it's in. You're parroting MSM narratives that I've heard a million times.

Once again, read the decision and quit listening to the MSM.

In her decision the judge stated that presidents have the ultimate authority in what is declassified and what are presidential records. She made no distinction between tapes, documents, etc..
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I see nothing in the judges description about classified anything. I did see that the historian is the one who did the recording so technically it would have been his property at the time.


[D]ocumentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.


This is what the statute says. The historian does not fall under any of these categories of people listed.


In making a decision on this matter I have to consider the nature of the audio tapes, if they were created with the intent of their use as government materials, and whether or not they were circulated within the Administration or relied on as policy documents. On the facts made available to me, I do not believe the materials in question fall within the ambit of the PRA.


This is the most relevant part of the decision. If you want to apply this standard to the documents Trump had. I think thats just fine.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I see nothing in the judges description about classified anything. I did see that the historian is the one who did the recording so technically it would have been his property at the time.


[D]ocumentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.


This is what the statute says. The historian does not fall under any of these categories of people listed.


In making a decision on this matter I have to consider the nature of the audio tapes, if they were created with the intent of their use as government materials, and whether or not they were circulated within the Administration or relied on as policy documents. On the facts made available to me, I do not believe the materials in question fall within the ambit of the PRA.


This is the most relevant part of the decision. If you want to apply this standard to the documents Trump had. I think thats just fine.
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The historian doesn't fall in there but the "created or received by the President" does.

That was not her quoted decision. That was a quote from the archivist at the time.
 
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Here is the a real quote from Judge Jackson and is the most relevant part of her decision.

"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion"

She also said that NARA can challenge his decision but it's in a civil court, not a criminal one.
 
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No one cares about Presedential records. He will never be charged with a crime for Presedential records. I look forward to seeing your argument get laughed out of court. Of course you will just blame it on the Judge or the jury or whatever.
 
This is what this is all about, dummy. If it's a personal record than it's his. The judge said he has a right to determine amongst all the records what are his and what are NARA's.

You could be right because this FBI/DOJ doesn't care much about precedent or anything resembling justice. It's all about getting Trump and damaging the republican brand. You're still too stupid to see that. The tip off was the fact that they started this right after the primaries to affect the upcoming election.

Once again, lay off the dope.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
No one cares about Presedential records. He will never be charged with a crime for Presedential records. I look forward to seeing your argument get laughed out of court. Of course you will just blame it on the Judge or the jury or whatever.
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I want to reiterate that you are quite possibly the dumbest, most uninformed idiot I've ever encountered and that's saying a lot. You don't know that a breaking of a federal statute means it's fed jurisdiction and even giving you proof of that you deny it. You're too stupid to know that the judge's decision in the Clinton case means that the president determines what his personal records are and not NARA. I have to commend you on your dedication to the utter dimwittedness that unfortunately will eventually doom our great republic. Well done.
 
Ah, it's not your legal theory thats wrong... it's the judges and juries that are wrong! Bold argument. Let's see how that plays out.
 
I think it's kinda cool to see so much respect being accorded to Judge Jackson's jurisprudence, even if it might be based upon a misapprehension of its application to any future cases.
 
nsacpi said:
I think it's kinda cool to see so much respect being accorded to Judge Jackson's jurisprudence, even if it might be based upon a misapprehension of its application to any future cases.
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Like I said if this was a democrat president with a conservative DOJ/FBI hounding him I'm quite sure you and your liberal ilk would be citing this case just as I am. The only thing on your brain in this investigation is finding a way to get Trump in jail.
 
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