The Art of a Deal

nsacpi said:
I think it's kinda cool to see so much respect being accorded to Judge Jackson's jurisprudence, even if it might be based upon a misapprehension of its application to any future cases.
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What % of your mind do you estimate is devoted to thinking about Donald Trump?
 
Garmel said:
I don't know how I'm wrong when it's spelled out in black and white.
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Good news then, that's what indictments and a trial will go over. Here's a hint. This is about having documents relating to national defense and classified documents. Even if we buy the ridiculous excuse that they are all declassified it still doesnt save him from the Espionage Act. Good luck arguing those were all his personal property.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Good news then, that's what indictments and a trial will go over. Here's a hint. This is about having documents relating to national defense and classified documents. Even if we buy the ridiculous excuse that they are all declassified it still doesnt save him from the Espionage Act. Good luck arguing those were all his personal property.
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He can determine what are his personal records or not. No exceptions. Now, NARA can take him to civil court and quite possibly win that case if he really does have national defense records, which I'm not sure he does. Why didn't the DOJ follow established procedure instead of this nonsense? Figure it out.

The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.

Show me in legal terms how Trump is injuring the US and/or giving an advantage to a foreign nation.
 
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It seems to me the DoJ has tried to avoid making this a criminal matter. They would be satisfied with getting the documents back. However if they come to feel there has been willful obstruction of their efforts, that might be a different matter.
 
nsacpi said:
It seems to me the DoJ has tried to avoid making this a criminal matter. They would be satisfied with getting the documents back. However if they come to feel there has been willful obstruction of their efforts, that might be a different matter.
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The DOJ did no such thing. They were still in negotiation with each other when they pulled this ****. I know you think Trump has no rights here but he does. All the DOJ had to do is follow the law, take Trump to civil court and get the documents back if the courts deem he did something wrong.
 
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Big, if true. Would it surprise anyone that committee dems and NARA are in cahoots on this?

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Garmel said:
He can determine what are his personal records or not. No exceptions. Now, NARA can take him to civil court and quite possibly win that case if he really does have national defense records, which I'm not sure he does. Why didn't the DOJ follow established procedure instead of this nonsense? Figure it out.

The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.

Show me in legal terms how Trump is injuring the US and/or giving an advantage to a foreign nation.
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Send me a copy of these "declassified" documents and I will tell you.




Maybe Trump should have drawn with crayons on the White House walls and declared it his personal record and thus his property lol.
 
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