The Biden Presidency

Jaw said:
If he thinks that getting the vaccine is better than not getting the vaccine then he isn't complying, he's making the decision that he feels is best for him.
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It goes a step further though.

He is very dismissive of any negative news associated with vaccination.
 
sturg33 said:
It's clear that there is nothing to show you that will change your mind. The government is mandating pretty much every human to get this thing, and cases/hospitalizations, etc continue to rise. Now they are mandating boosters bc the shot is so ineffective. They won't release the data on the trials for 6 decades. People are losing their jobs... healthcare workers are being fired, truck drivers are being fired, the money printing machine is going wild to paper over the travesty that has occurred.

You will continue to comply until your dead
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I actually don't like vaccine mandates. I think it's a decision between a person and their doctor as to whether it's the right choice for them.

I will say that I'm fully on board with requiring healthcare workers and nursing home workers to get vaccinated. Vaccine mandates are nothing new in these fields and these people are most at risk of spreading Covid to vulnerable people so I'm okay with taking every reasonable precaution there.

And I'm not complying. I've had covid and it is as sick as I've ever been in my life. I want every protection I can get from getting that sick again. I will also warn others.
 
striker42 said:
I actually don't like vaccine mandates. I think it's a decision between a person and their doctor as to whether it's the right choice for them.

I will say that I'm fully on board with requiring healthcare workers and nursing home workers to get vaccinated. Vaccine mandates are nothing new in these fields and these people are most at risk of spreading Covid to vulnerable people so I'm okay with taking every reasonable precaution there.

And I'm not complying. I've had covid and it is as sick as I've ever been in my life. I want every protection I can get from getting that sick again. I will also warn others.
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Those healthcare workers pose the same risk whether they are vaccinated or not.
 
thethe said:
It goes a step further though.

He is very dismissive of any negative news associated with vaccination.
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Most negative new associated with the vaccine is based on poor logic or poor understanding of what's being said. For example, health agencies in Europe recommending certain populations get the Pfizer vaccine over the Moderna vaccine due to risks associated with Moderna. That doesn't mean Moderna is dangerous or that it's worse than being unvaccinated. What it means is there an extremely rare side effect for that population that can be mitigated by taking an alternative, widely available vaccine. However, the numbers show either vaccine is still less dangerous than being unvaccinated.

I'm very open to legitimate evidence on the vaccines or Covid that can change my analysis. As I've said before, I'm in no hurry to get my son vaccinated when he turns 5 next month. The evidence of the benefit gained vs. the risks associated with the vaccine make the cost benefit analysis much less clear. Instead, I'll wait for additional evidence that will come in from wide scale implementation.

Just because I disagree with your interpretation of some of the stuff you post doesn't mean I'm "dismissive." It just means I've looked at it and come to a different conclusion.
 
sturg33 said:
You will get that legitimate evidence in 55 years, per the FDA
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Meanwhile, while you wait, you will need to get your booster in order to keep your job. The vax is so darn effective that you need a third shot within 6 months. It's so darn effective that hospitalizations continue to rise despite everyone getting the shot at this point.

Make sure you keep going to bat for it... human rights are nothing without the safety of daddy government and big Pharma lining us up every 6 months for their life saving product
 
thethe said:
Those healthcare workers pose the same risk whether they are vaccinated or not.
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Not most likely not true. For a couple of reasons. First, the Covid infection rate for full vaccinated people has been much, much lower for fully vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Current numbers show you're about 5 times as likely to get Covid if you're unvaccinated. That's holding pretty solid from all data I can find.

So people who are vaccinated are less likely to get sick from an exposure. This is important in healthcare as many in healthcare will frequently encounter at risk people (most commonly the elderly). So the less likely these people are to contract an infection, the better.

There's also evidence that the duration of the time in which you're shedding the virus is shorter in vaccinated individuals. This makes sense as the immune system is able to mount a quicker defense of something that is at least vaguely familiar than it is with something completely new.

So I'm okay with a hospital requiring employees to get vaccinated. I'm not okay with some place like Home Depot requiring it.
 
striker42 said:
Not most likely not true. For a couple of reasons. First, the Covid infection rate for full vaccinated people has been much, much lower for fully vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Current numbers show you're about 5 times as likely to get Covid if you're unvaccinated. That's holding pretty solid from all data I can find.

So people who are vaccinated are less likely to get sick from an exposure. This is important in healthcare as many in healthcare will frequently encounter at risk people (most commonly the elderly). So the less likely these people are to contract an infection, the better.

There's also evidence that the duration of the time in which you're shedding the virus is shorter in vaccinated individuals. This makes sense as the immune system is able to mount a quicker defense of something that is at least vaguely familiar than it is with something completely new.

So I'm okay with a hospital requiring employees to get vaccinated. I'm not okay with some place like Home Depot requiring it.
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All of your studies don't disaggregate vaccinated and natural immunity.

But its fine man. You'll never be concerned with the immunity from prosecution or not releasing the study data for what got the vaccines approved.
 
thethe said:
All of your studies don't disaggregate vaccinated and natural immunity.

But its fine man. You'll never be concerned with the immunity from prosecution or not releasing the study data for what got the vaccines approved.
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Why would natural immunity greatly shift the figures? Wouldn't there be the same percentage of naturally immune getting vaccinated as not?
 
striker42 said:
Why would natural immunity greatly shift the figures? Wouldn't there be the same percentage of naturally immune getting vaccinated as not?
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Because its baking in a positive efficacy in the vaccinated population that has nothing to do with vaccination. If a study doesn't have 4 clearly defined populations then its almost irrelevant.
 
Walmart is very grateful that the federal government decimated small business, allowing the major corporations in the country to consolidate business and power.

They'll probably donate to his reelection campaign
 
thethe said:
Because its baking in a positive efficacy in the vaccinated population that has nothing to do with vaccination. If a study doesn't have 4 clearly defined populations then its almost irrelevant.
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But the only way that would skew the numbers towards the vaccinated group would be if the percentage of those who have natural immunity in the vaccinated group was significantly higher than in the unvaccinated group. If the rate is the same then it has literally zero effect on the results as both groups would have equal amounts of natural protection and the only variable would be the vaccine.

I honestly see no reason why those previously infected with Covid would be vaccinated at a higher rate than those without a previous infection. If anything you'd expect to find more prior infections in the unvaccinated group as the natural immunity would make getting a vaccine less pressing to many.

More likely a prior infection does not change one's liklihood of being vaccinated a statistically significant amount. And considering how much more likely you are to contract Covid if you're unvaccinated, you'd need a MASSIVE slant of natural immunity towards vaccination.
 
striker42 said:
But the only way that would skew the numbers towards the vaccinated group would be if the percentage of those who have natural immunity in the vaccinated group was significantly higher than in the unvaccinated group. If the rate is the same then it has literally zero effect on the results as both groups would have equal amounts of natural protection and the only variable would be the vaccine.

I honestly see no reason why those previously infected with Covid would be vaccinated at a higher rate than those without a previous infection. If anything you'd expect to find more prior infections in the unvaccinated group as the natural immunity would make getting a vaccine less pressing to many.

More likely a prior infection does not change one's liklihood of being vaccinated a statistically significant amount. And considering how much more likely you are to contract Covid if you're unvaccinated, you'd need a MASSIVE slant of natural immunity towards vaccination.
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The whole point is to compare unvaccinated/non-natural immunity to vaccinated/non-natural immunity. The efficacy rates of both study groups in anything you quote are materially different when you bifurcate to four groups.
 
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