The Coronavirus, not the beer

chop2chip said:
His stimulus package seems like a good idea.

I just wish he had more ideas outside of financial incentives. Luckily, local governments across the country seem to be doing a great job. Overall, the US is in good hands thanks to local teams.

Two things need to happen and I am not sure Trump will be able to deliver. 1) He needs to be better at comms and 2) the federal response needs to start prioritizing mitigate disease spread rather than softening the stock market crash. The stock market will rebound from this, but people can’t be resurrected. South Korea is an excellent role model for the world on how a central government should react to a pandemic.
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Which part of His plan do you like? The payroll tax cut or the 2 billion for Coronavirus that died on delivery?

Nobody seems to like President Donald Trump’s plan to save the economy from the novel coronavirus. Not Democrats in Congress. Not Republicans. Not even advisers in his own administration.

And, as has often been the case during this crisis, the president’s doubters and haters have a point.

With COVID-19 threatening to slow economic growth to a halt, Trump has argued that Congress should try to stimulate the economy with a large payroll tax cut, in order to boost consumer spending. At a meeting Tuesday with Senate Republicans, Trump reportedly suggested a cut worth $40 billion per month that would last all the way past the November elections. But GOP lawmakers have been “cool on the idea,” according to the Washington Post, which reports that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell “has privately told several allies in recent days he personally opposes” the plan. Ohio Sen. Rob Portman told reporters that he thought “a more targeted approach would be more effective,” while House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said he wanted to find a “surgical way“ to help hourly workers.
 
Runnin said:
As has been mentioned but you still don't understand, the big worry isn't the deaths from Coronavirus, it will be how the virus overloads and cripples the health care systems. That will be when the real panic starts.
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The ultimate worry of people is getting sick from this and dying. It's that fear that is being flamed by the news media. This will result in an even worse problem that you're worried about as panicked people rush to the emergency room with the sniffles demanding a coronavirus test and treatment. The more calmly people approach this, the fewer problems we'll have.
 
The news media is the same for every President. The only major news that changes their reporting based on who is President is Fox News. I remember a time when Presidents who bitched and moaned about the media were told they were cry babies and to take some accountability. Oh wait, that was Fox news during Obama's terms. Now its the media's job to be a wing of the Presidents campaign apparently. You know when **** will hit the fan, when someone famous dies.
 
Runnin said:
Which part of His plan do you like? The payroll tax cut or the 2 billion for Coronavirus that died on delivery?

Nobody seems to like President Donald Trump’s plan to save the economy from the novel coronavirus. Not Democrats in Congress. Not Republicans. Not even advisers in his own administration.

And, as has often been the case during this crisis, the president’s doubters and haters have a point.

With COVID-19 threatening to slow economic growth to a halt, Trump has argued that Congress should try to stimulate the economy with a large payroll tax cut, in order to boost consumer spending. At a meeting Tuesday with Senate Republicans, Trump reportedly suggested a cut worth $40 billion per month that would last all the way past the November elections. But GOP lawmakers have been “cool on the idea,” according to the Washington Post, which reports that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell “has privately told several allies in recent days he personally opposes” the plan. Ohio Sen. Rob Portman told reporters that he thought “a more targeted approach would be more effective,” while House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said he wanted to find a “surgical way“ to help hourly workers.
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Yeah.. after reading the details, I am not much of a fan. My initial reaction was based on the concept itself of addressing economic hardship which will drive people towards risky behavior.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The news media is the same for every President. The only major news that changes their reporting based on who is President is Fox News. I remember a time when Presidents who bitched and moaned about the media were told they were cry babies and to take some accountability. Oh wait, that was Fox news during Obama's terms. Now its the media's job to be a wing of the Presidents campaign apparently. You know when **** will hit the fan, when someone famous dies.
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I personally don't care who is President. I want to see more urge for calm and for people to take rational steps. However, fear gets people tuned into the news. So the news media has a vested interest in drumming up fear.
 
striker42 said:
I personally don't care who is President. I want to see more urge for calm and for people to take rational steps. However, fear gets people tuned into the news. So the news media has a vested interest in drumming up fear.
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Sometimes alarm is the appropriate way to view something. One can act calmly and rationally even when being alarmed.

The county I live in has 100 cases. This thing doubles every 3 or 4 days.

So in a week we'll be at 400 cases.

In 2 weeks 1,600.

In 3 6,400.

And in 4 weeks 25,000. After that it gets really ugly.

About 10% of cases require hospitalization.

That to me is alarming.
 
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Runnin said:
As has been mentioned but you still don't understand, the big worry isn't the deaths from Coronavirus, it will be how the virus overloads and cripples the health care systems. That will be when the real panic starts.
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That's right. I spent the day yesterday at a hospital where a relative was having surgery. I am so glad he was able to get this taken care of. Because in a few weeks the hospitals around here are going to get slammed.
 
striker42 said:
I personally don't care who is President. I want to see more urge for calm and for people to take rational steps. However, fear gets people tuned into the news. So the news media has a vested interest in drumming up fear.
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Step 1 for that is having a President with credibility. I dont think its irrational to be panicked when the President is a deranged lunatic who immediately politicized the virus.
 
Remember when they used to talk about 1 million tests will be ready to go? Did Dr. Fasci say how many would be tested and how fast?
 
striker42 said:
I personally don't care who is President. I want to see more urge for calm and for people to take rational steps. However, fear gets people tuned into the news. So the news media has a vested interest in drumming up fear.
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Well, if the President would be more trusting and calm and speak parallel with his doctors, rather than go on Hannity and speak on his "hunches", then people wouldn't be so freaked out.

When you have the doctors saying the opposite of Trump and Pence, it doesn't give great confidence.

If Trump were more level headed and handled this situation better, I think the markets would not have crashed this badly. Instead he's used strawman arguments about the flu, talked about how the markets are more important than the virus, how the hysteria is democratic party hoax, etc.

Even during a stressful crisis like this, the guy cannot help himself but act like a buffoon.

Now he wants to bail out shale oil companies.
 
Also, this

https://www.axios.com/when-was-last...=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

It's been a year since the WH had a daily press briefing... you'd think during this corona crisis, that they would have one daily to be reassuring to people. But they won't because they can't control the narrative on this, and everytime Trump opens his mouth on this, it doesn't exactly instill confidence.

I'm surprised he honestly hasn't said something outlandish like "nobody knows more about pandemic viruses than me"
 
Just wait. Soo. He will say new cases are Democrats trying to get the virus to make him look bad. I know it's coming. He kind of partially said it about reporters.
 
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