The Coronavirus, not the beer

weso1 said:
We are officially in full panic mode and I think that may be a good thing. Strong social separation is taking place before this thing gets way out of control. Based on what I've read the biggest key is to have enough hospital care for those who need it. Hopefully by panicking now that will slow the spread enough to not have issues here.
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The word "panic" is used a lot but I suspect that one person's panic is another person's logical and necessary action. I've heard much talk of panic but seen very little, but I live in Japan and people here are easily corralled, compared to Americans, and largely behave in socially responsible ways without being asked.

Besides panic buying of toilet goods, I'm curious what people on here would call examples of social panic. Is testing as many people as possible "panic"? How about the gross misrepresentation of basic facts? Probably not, as that seems to be business as usual for this administration, though it does add to the sense of confusion.

One remedy for panic is flooding the airwaves with good, consistent, practical information that even numbskulls can use to education themselves and their actions.

Trump should not be allowed near a microphone, which seems as obvious as anything.
 
nsacpi said:
Some large American cities are considering an Italian style lockdown.

I think you either go drastic like that and take the economic hit.

Or you accept that a large part of the population will get infected and avoid taking the economic hit. This seems to be what the Germans are doing. I personally would go with the latter. Just use common sense in avoiding large groups of people. Offer elderly relatives and friends to do their grocery shopping for them. And let the chips fall where they will.

Either way you test aggressively to monitor the situation on the ground.
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I’d take the hit. Don’t know if you follow barstool but The Pres has a good point today. If you want to keep people safe, closing down sporting events, concerts etc will only do so good because people are still going out to bars, ride the subway, shop at stores etc you need to shut it all down. Only shutting certain things down won’t help because people will still hang out in crowds.
 
nsacpi said:
Some large American cities are considering an Italian style lockdown.

I think you either go drastic like that and take the economic hit.

Or you accept that a large part of the population will get infected and avoid taking the economic hit. This seems to be what the Germans are doing. I personally would go with the latter. Just use common sense in avoiding large groups of people. Offer elderly relatives and friends to do their grocery shopping for them. And let the chips fall where they will.

Either way you test aggressively to monitor the situation on the ground.
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I’d take the hit. Don’t know if you follow barstool but The Pres has a good point today. If you want to keep people safe, closing down sporting events, concerts etc will only do so good because people are still going out to bars, ride the subway, shop at stores etc you need to shut it all down. Only shutting certain things down won’t help because people will still hang out in crowds.
 
And Fox News is saying Joe Biden is dangerous because he had to be corrected once after a press conference on H1N1. How they can say that with a straight face after about 100 outright lies by Trump is absurd.
 
I think we should focus on the important issues. My my weed delivery is running late. Watching the world burn isnt any fun sober.
 
Krgrecw said:
I’d take the hit. Don’t know if you follow barstool but The Pres has a good point today. If you want to keep people safe, closing down sporting events, concerts etc will only do so good because people are still going out to bars, ride the subway, shop at stores etc you need to shut it all down. Only shutting certain things down won’t help because people will still hang out in crowds.
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My son's school just closed...but teenagers being teenagers he and his friends are still gonna hang out
 
Unintended consequence, no sports for at least a month. No trades, no box scores no prima donna drama.
Wonder if ESPN gets some of that money Trump is handing out.

I been dying to know how Braves handle 3rd and anxious to see Kyle Wright.

Gonna be a weird couple weeks/months
 
57Brave said:
Unintended consequence, no sports for at least a month. No trades, no box scores no prima donna drama.
Wonder if ESPN gets some of that money Trump is handing out.

I been dying to know how Braves handle 3rd and anxious to see Kyle Wright.

Gonna be a weird couple weeks/months
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The coronavirus is going to significantly damper Acuna's 50/50 run.
 
Runnin said:
The word "panic" is used a lot but I suspect that one person's panic is another person's logical and necessary action. I've heard much talk of panic but seen very little, but I live in Japan and people here are easily corralled, compared to Americans, and largely behave in socially responsible ways without being asked.

Besides panic buying of toilet goods, I'm curious what people on here would call examples of social panic. Is testing as many people as possible "panic"? How about the gross misrepresentation of basic facts? Probably not, as that seems to be business as usual for this administration, though it does add to the sense of confusion.

One remedy for panic is flooding the airwaves with good, consistent, practical information that even numbskulls can use to education themselves and their actions.

Trump should not be allowed near a microphone, which seems as obvious as anything.
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My point was that panic is warranted in this case. In fact we should have panicked a bit earlier when China did their unprecedented quarantine. Panic is not a bad thing when justified.
 
In a U.S. health care system that is already difficult to navigate, some patients describe Kafkaesque quests for tests.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

just astonishing

i ask once again: is it U.S. government policy to slow walk testing

Fauci: “The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we are not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes. But we are not.”
 
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weso1 said:
My point was that panic is warranted in this case. In fact we should have panicked a bit earlier when China did their unprecedented quarantine. Panic is not a bad thing when justified.
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I agree with that. I only think "panic" is the wrong word. Buckling down to face the inevitable with strict measures is prudent, the opposite of panic.

Panic is when you throw up your hands and run away from danger. Trump is the one who panicked when he downplayed the very real virus over imagined economic worries. He was like a guy ignoring a bad tooth because he doesn't like going to the dentist. Speaking from experience, the tooth just keeps getting worse.
 
The President As Bystander

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trumps-coronavirus-unity.html

As he confronts the most serious crisis of his tenure, President Trump has been assertive in closing borders to many outsiders, one of his favorite policies. But within the United States, as the coronavirus spreads from one community to another, he has been more follower than leader.

While he presents himself as the nation’s commanding figure, Mr. Trump has essentially become a bystander as school superintendents, sports commissioners, college presidents, governors and business owners across the country take it upon themselves to shut down much of American life without clear guidance from the president.
 
nsacpi said:
there is a lot to be said on behalf of stoicism

and on behalf of fatalism under certain circumstances

it doesn't mean you give up or don't adopt reasonable common sense measures
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That’s where hopefully “empathy” plays a central role.
 
zitothebrave said:
Lots of heads of state testing positive. Trump almost certainly has it barring amazing luck.
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Do you think he and Pence have secretly been tested? If so, I think it was probably too quickly to get a true answer, having only just been exposed. He'll have to be tested again in a week or so, especially if symptoms appear. And his breathing sounded horrible in the Oval Office Speech. If that's his baseline respiratory health, it's not great to begin with.
 
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I wonder how many posters are over 60 and/or considering self-quarantining. I'll be 60 this year but my wife's parents live with us and my father-in-law is a stroke victim with very poor lung strength. I'm probably high risk as I meet hundreds of people every week in my jobs and activities. I'm lucky to be all free lance and can take a month off and there's always stuff to do around the house.

I should probably do it but if the others in my house don't then it would be all for nothing. If one of us gets it, we'll all have it soon.
 
zitothebrave said:
Lots of heads of state testing positive. Trump almost certainly has it barring amazing luck.
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If that's true then it's all through the WH and Congress, too, including staff.

But don't worry, I'm sure our crack crisis management team led by Mike Pence is prepared and has thought through every possible contingency in how the virus will influence the President's re-election and his bid to keep himself and all his minions out of prison.
 
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