nsacpi
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i gave an honest and straightforward answer...sorry it wasn't to your appetite
The Coronavirus, not the beer
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i gave an honest and straightforward answer...sorry it wasn't to your appetite
sturg33
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I suppose it was too ambitious to get a response on what changed our leaders minds why this is all the sudden OK
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
aint no one catching mississippi
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Any amount of critical study of when COVID started and the weather and population density of places hit hardest first. Of course, NJ and NY look worse when you consider the whole Pandemic. Look at
See how NY and NJ started out rough. It's likely due to first when COVID went Pandemic in early 2020 when it was cold in NJ and NY. Combined with some bad information on how to handle the virus and no vaccine, they struggled early on. NJ and NY
If we look at NJ and NY you see they basically got rocked early on. Then after it their worst rolling 7 day average was sub 200 as better preventative measures and vaccines came into play.
Yet you want to consider this a win? It's the most regressive argument.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Ah yes the classic thethe statement. For someone claiming their life is so great, you're sure defending your choices so hard and attempting to put down other people.
Again, maybe consider taking a chance.You may find some joy in life instead of being such a miserable ****
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I suspect the overall mortality numbers (or excess mortality numbers) will start to get downplayed around here for the obvious usual reasons. Who wants to pick on Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama? There is no pleasure in that.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I would settle for the unvaccinated to agree not to pass on hospital costs from their choice to remain unvaccinated to the rest of society. It is only fair and eminently consistent with the doctrine of individual responsibility so many proclaim around here. Make a choice, accept the consequences and don't pass the buck to anyone else.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I know Idahoans to be rugged individualists who are loathe to pass on the buck to others for the consequences of personal choices they make. So I am a bit surprised to see this happening.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/...ngton-idaho.html?referringSource=articleShare
SPOKANE, Wash. — Surgeries to remove brain tumors have been postponed. Patients are backed up in the emergency room. Nurses are working brutal shifts. But at Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center in Spokane, Wash., the calls keep coming: Can Idaho send another patient across the border?
Washington State is reeling under its own surge of coronavirus cases. But in neighboring Idaho, 20 miles down Interstate 90 from Spokane, unchecked virus transmission has already pushed hospitals beyond their breaking point.
“As they’ve seen increasing Covid volumes, we’ve seen increasing calls for help from all over northern Idaho,” Dr. Daniel Getz, chief medical officer for Providence Sacred Heart, said in an interview. As he spoke, a medical helicopter descended with a new delivery.
At a time when Washington State hospitals are delaying procedures and struggling with their own high caseloads, some leaders in the state see Idaho’s outsourcing of Covid patients as a troubling example of how the failure to aggressively confront the virus in one state can deepen a crisis in another.
On the Washington side of the border, residents must wear masks when gathering indoors, students who are exposed to Covid face quarantine requirements, and many workers are under vaccination orders. On the Idaho side, none of those precautions are in place.
“It’s ridiculous,” said Cassie Sauer, the president of the Washington State Hospital Association. “If you have your health care system melting down, the idea that you would not immediately issue a mask mandate is just bizarre. They need to be doing everything they can possibly do.”
Last week, Idaho took the extraordinary step of moving its hospitals in the northern part of the state to crisis standards of care — the threshold at which facilities facing overwhelming caseloads are authorized to ration their resources, perhaps withholding or delaying optimal care for some patients.
Idaho now has more than 600 patients hospitalized with Covid-19, about 20 percent higher than a previous peak in December. Only 40 percent of the state’s residents are fully vaccinated, one of the lowest rates in the nation, compared with 61 percent in Washington State, one of the highest.
The strain on health care facilities is particularly evident in northern Idaho, where the vaccination rate is even lower; the area just hosted the North Idaho State Fair, and in a region where there is deep wariness of government, no mask orders or other strategies were adopted to halt the spread of the virus. At Kootenai Health in Coeur d’Alene, a conference room has been converted to house excess patients.
With the Delta strain of the coronavirus sweeping the nation, Washington State has faced its own challenges and record hospitalizations, especially in areas on the eastern side of the state where vaccination rates are lower. This week, that state, too, began talking openly about the possibility that crisis standards of care could become necessary.
But Washington is in better shape than Idaho, where hospitalizations as a share of the population are 45 percent higher.
“We certainly need our friends in Idaho government to do more to preserve their citizens’ health, because we know that their crisis is becoming our problem,” Washington’s Democratic governor, Jay Inslee, said last week. “I’m asking the people of Idaho to adopt some of the safety measures — like masking requirements — like we have in Washington so we can help both of our states reduce this horrible pandemic.”
In Idaho, Gov. Brad Little’s office said he was not available for an interview, but he has indicated in recent weeks that he has no plans to restore virus restrictions, even if hospitals entered dangerous territory, saying that he wanted residents “to choose to do the right thing and get vaccinated.” He issued a statement on Friday saying he was exploring legal action to halt new mandates from President Biden that will push millions of people to get vaccinated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/...ngton-idaho.html?referringSource=articleShare
SPOKANE, Wash. — Surgeries to remove brain tumors have been postponed. Patients are backed up in the emergency room. Nurses are working brutal shifts. But at Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center in Spokane, Wash., the calls keep coming: Can Idaho send another patient across the border?
Washington State is reeling under its own surge of coronavirus cases. But in neighboring Idaho, 20 miles down Interstate 90 from Spokane, unchecked virus transmission has already pushed hospitals beyond their breaking point.
“As they’ve seen increasing Covid volumes, we’ve seen increasing calls for help from all over northern Idaho,” Dr. Daniel Getz, chief medical officer for Providence Sacred Heart, said in an interview. As he spoke, a medical helicopter descended with a new delivery.
At a time when Washington State hospitals are delaying procedures and struggling with their own high caseloads, some leaders in the state see Idaho’s outsourcing of Covid patients as a troubling example of how the failure to aggressively confront the virus in one state can deepen a crisis in another.
On the Washington side of the border, residents must wear masks when gathering indoors, students who are exposed to Covid face quarantine requirements, and many workers are under vaccination orders. On the Idaho side, none of those precautions are in place.
“It’s ridiculous,” said Cassie Sauer, the president of the Washington State Hospital Association. “If you have your health care system melting down, the idea that you would not immediately issue a mask mandate is just bizarre. They need to be doing everything they can possibly do.”
Last week, Idaho took the extraordinary step of moving its hospitals in the northern part of the state to crisis standards of care — the threshold at which facilities facing overwhelming caseloads are authorized to ration their resources, perhaps withholding or delaying optimal care for some patients.
Idaho now has more than 600 patients hospitalized with Covid-19, about 20 percent higher than a previous peak in December. Only 40 percent of the state’s residents are fully vaccinated, one of the lowest rates in the nation, compared with 61 percent in Washington State, one of the highest.
The strain on health care facilities is particularly evident in northern Idaho, where the vaccination rate is even lower; the area just hosted the North Idaho State Fair, and in a region where there is deep wariness of government, no mask orders or other strategies were adopted to halt the spread of the virus. At Kootenai Health in Coeur d’Alene, a conference room has been converted to house excess patients.
With the Delta strain of the coronavirus sweeping the nation, Washington State has faced its own challenges and record hospitalizations, especially in areas on the eastern side of the state where vaccination rates are lower. This week, that state, too, began talking openly about the possibility that crisis standards of care could become necessary.
But Washington is in better shape than Idaho, where hospitalizations as a share of the population are 45 percent higher.
“We certainly need our friends in Idaho government to do more to preserve their citizens’ health, because we know that their crisis is becoming our problem,” Washington’s Democratic governor, Jay Inslee, said last week. “I’m asking the people of Idaho to adopt some of the safety measures — like masking requirements — like we have in Washington so we can help both of our states reduce this horrible pandemic.”
In Idaho, Gov. Brad Little’s office said he was not available for an interview, but he has indicated in recent weeks that he has no plans to restore virus restrictions, even if hospitals entered dangerous territory, saying that he wanted residents “to choose to do the right thing and get vaccinated.” He issued a statement on Friday saying he was exploring legal action to halt new mandates from President Biden that will push millions of people to get vaccinated.
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Ray DeMonia suffered a cardiac emergency last month. But emergency staff had to call 43 hospitals in 3 states — all full because of COVID — before they could find an open cardiac ICU bed, according to his family.
He died in Meridian, Mississippi — some 200 miles away from his home in Cullman, Alabama.
"In honor of Ray, please get vaccinated if you have not, in an effort to free up resources for non COVID related emergencies," his obituary reads. "He would not want any other family to go through what his did."
Read more here: https://n.pr/3Cb8ydJ
He died in Meridian, Mississippi — some 200 miles away from his home in Cullman, Alabama.
"In honor of Ray, please get vaccinated if you have not, in an effort to free up resources for non COVID related emergencies," his obituary reads. "He would not want any other family to go through what his did."
Read more here: https://n.pr/3Cb8ydJ
sturg33
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If you believe this story as reported you are one of the dumbest humans walking the planet
Tapate50
Well-known member
Reminds me of some here