The Don

I will try to answer this.

I've been doing job placement/recruiting since last May, and the H1B visas are the biggest headaches I have to deal with. I come across very qualified American resumes but they ask more than what HR is looking for, so they end up hiring an Indian or Chinese H1B visa person for less than market value. And in 3-4 years when that H1B visa expires they move on to the next one.

I think Bernie has voted against increasing H1B's because there's just no reason to. H1B's were created to help fill demand in the engineering/financial job markets, but now corporations are going the easy way out by asking Congress to increase H1B's. I mean the H1B visa folks are fine with taking less than market value because that's a lot more than what they were gonna make in their home country anyways.

On the other hand, low skilled immigrants that Trump wants to block certainly have jobs Americans are too prideful to take like in farming.

So in my view just having dealt with it directly, Bernie wanting to not increase the H1B count is not similar to Donald's wall.

There are many Americans that could fill the void, but H1B is just the easy way out.

And for anyone wanting to truly make a difference in the lives of REAL Americans they could do a little research and then found a website that publicly calls out, shames, and promotes boycotts against any company that outsources jobs, or imports workers to do them more cheaply. This would get people more involved in the process, educate them about the way things work and maybe make a positive difference in this country without trying to get the government involved to do it for them.
 
And for anyone wanting to truly make a difference in the lives of REAL Americans they could do a little research and then found a website that publicly calls out, shames, and promotes boycotts against any company that outsources jobs, or imports workers to do them more cheaply. This would get people more involved in the process, educate them about the way things work and maybe make a positive difference in this country without trying to get the government involved to do it for them.

All well and good, but I sometimes dip into cynicism and I think the American public will go bananas any time a good or service costs a nickel more because of labor costs.

It's a little off this particular subject, but I can remember a few years back, the longshoremen in Seattle went on strike during the Christmas season. There was a particular doll that was very popular that year that was made in Japan and thousands of crates of this doll were sitting idle on the docks because of the strike. Moms and dads throughout the country went nuts because all the stores were out of this doll and little Susie desperately wanted the doll for Christmas. I don't know if the longshoremen's demands were outlandish (being sensitive to labor causes, I'd guess probably not but given my biases I could be wrong), but I just found it funny that the average American, instead of standing for reasonable wages for workers said "Get me that f*ckin' doll!" I guess my point is that very few see the big picture anymore.
 
All well and good, but I sometimes dip into cynicism and I think the American public will go bananas any time a good or service costs a nickel more because of labor costs.

It's a little off this particular subject, but I can remember a few years back, the longshoremen in Seattle went on strike during the Christmas season. There was a particular doll that was very popular that year that was made in Japan and thousands of crates of this doll were sitting idle on the docks because of the strike. Moms and dads throughout the country went nuts because all the stores were out of this doll and little Susie desperately wanted the doll for Christmas. I don't know if the longshoremen's demands were outlandish (being sensitive to labor causes, I'd guess probably not but given my biases I could be wrong), but I just found it funny that the average American, instead of standing for reasonable wages for workers said "Get me that f*ckin' doll!" I guess my point is that very few see the big picture anymore.

That's because they've been brainwashed into thinking lower taxes = higher wages always. However higher wages don't necessarily mean lower prices, as prices will just go up to adjust for the increase in demand. When accounting for inflation, this is probably the cheapest gas has been since the 90's.
 
That's because they've been brainwashed into thinking lower taxes = higher wages always. However higher wages don't necessarily mean lower prices, as prices will just go up to adjust for the increase in demand. When accounting for inflation, this is probably the cheapest gas has been since the 90's.

Brainwashed SAV? We discussed this in the other thread and honestly I found your argument pretty lacking.

And no person on earth would argue that higher wages means lower prices, that's counter intuitive. Did you mean higher wages means more buying power? Well, there are a few other things you have to control for first before that can be addressed, but usually when "higher wages" are brought up it implies real wages, i.e. wages adjusted for inflation, i.e. higher buying power. There's really only a few ways to accomplish that and that's to increase production and technological advancement, namely. The data shows that higher taxes stifles both of those things.
 
Louis weighs in:

"P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the **** coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.

And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.

Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.

He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking **** billionaire liar.

We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

I get that all these people sound like bull**** soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.

And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “**** it. **** them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”

When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”

Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.

So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a ****ing liar.

A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really **** things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.

Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.

That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. ****ing celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this ****.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete."
 
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Trump is a lot of bad things, but the people who think he really will be the next Hitler remind me of the folks who think every new politician is the antichrist. Don't know why folks need to take it that level of silliness when there's plenty of material to work with that is actually true.
 
Trump is a lot of bad things, but the people who think he really will be the next Hitler remind me of the folks who think every new politician is the antichrist. Don't know why folks need to take it that level of silliness when there's plenty of material to work with that is actually true.
I think he'd be just as despotic as he was allowed to be and hopefully we won't get to find out for sure.

Sometimes there really is a wolf coming to eat all the chickens.
 
I think he'd be just as despotic as he was allowed to be and hopefully we won't get to find out for sure.

Sometimes there really is a wolf coming to eat all the chickens.

That's probably true, but it's no different than most presidents. Obama for example commented that he wished he could just do whatever he wanted. And I believe he absolutely would if he could. And Hillary? Shew wee.
 
I read an article recently that encapsulated my fear of Trump. It would be a presidency based solely upon the overnights. I don't think he would chart any specific course either at home or abroad that would erode his ratings. Cruz's and Sanders' agendas both make me shiver (Cruz's more than Sanders'), but at least they would point a direction and try to go that way. I think Trump would simply bloviate.
 
Depends on how sensitive you are to the term 'racism'. I think expressing disparaging comments or disagreeing with them due to skin color traits is racism. Arguing otherwise is being an apologist.

Who is arguing that such remarks are racist? But this isn't merely about the racist remarks of some (if not the majority) of Trumpians.
 
Those are people who have been convinced by Rush/Fox/etc. that blacks and liberals are their only problems. But at the heart of all bigotry is a fear there won't be enough of the pie to go around, more simply put, an unwillingness to share "the good life". Racism is believing blacks don't deserve the milk and honey of freedom. Many surely think this way, but I feel that idea sprouts straight from their own economic insecurity. I guess I'm saying racism comes from the fear of being the victims of racism.

And what we are seeing, in great part, is something that has been a part of our history going back to our nation's beginnings. It's a bit reductionistic but I think we can see there have been 3 large groups since our founding - African-Americans, White Trash (Scot-Irish and other poorer Caucasians) and richer, more powerful WASPs (who in varying ways have kept the other two "in their place"). Trump is tapping into that deep, deep vein.
 
Yeah... bc George Bush never suffered from hateful rhetoric.

The hateful rhetoric, during my life-time, really took off during the Clinton years, and we've just been going back and forth and getting worse and worse as we go and with 24/7 cable news and infotainment (all making their millions stoking the fires of fear and anger). But there have been other times in our history where the politics has been raucous.
 
white men agree. Trumps appeal is not race targeted but a manifestation of the policies of the guy who won't show his birth certificate

Do I understand this right ?

But it's ok because Bush 43 said stupid **** everyother day and Ben Carson. Is well, Ben Carson

It's not race only. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The race component is there. For some it is the core issue. But for many others where it is a part, it is a symptom of something else. Why is this so hard to get?
 
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