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Is that "The Plan" is FINALLY clear - given the Price and Greinke contracts the market has been redefined and "adjusted" to what it's pretty much always reflected.

Young, inexpensive, controllable, high-ceiling starting pitching remains the MOST valuable commodity in the game.

(In case you haven't noticed, the Braves are once again loaded with it.)
 
I don't think that's clear at all. I think what's clear is that the current market prices for free agents continues to climb. Just because Greinke and Price signed first doesn't make them more valuable. In fact recent FA signing have shown that hitters have been getting paid more at a production level.
 
I agree but if the Braves ever develop a Kershaw/Price/Greinke, etc type i would hope they pay them the money.
 
thewupk said:
I don't think that's clear at all. I think what's clear is that the current market prices for free agents continues to climb. Just because Greinke and Price signed first doesn't make them more valuable. In fact recent FA signing have shown that hitters have been getting paid more at a production level.
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Fight it all you want. When everyone starts throwing $150 million at Cueto, $100+ million at Samardzija, $90 million at Leake, (and on and on) you'll get it.
 
clvclv said:
Fight it all you want. When everyone starts throwing $150 million at Cueto, $100+ million at Samardzija, $90 million at Leake, (and on and on) you'll get it.
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Get what? That's the standard cost of players at that price range, pitchers or not.
 
clvclv said:
Is that "The Plan" is FINALLY clear - given the Price and Greinke contracts the market has been redefined and "adjusted" to what it's pretty much always reflected.

Young, inexpensive, controllable, high-ceiling starting pitching remains the MOST valuable commodity in the game.

(In case you haven't noticed, the Braves are once again loaded with it.)
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Well let's see what happens. Teams don't seem shy about spending big money on SP's instead of paying a premium in players/propsects to get a guy like Shelby. So we'll see what happens but these bigger markets would rather just pay for a guy then trade multiple young players
 
clvclv said:
Is that "The Plan" is FINALLY clear - given the Price and Greinke contracts the market has been redefined and "adjusted" to what it's pretty much always reflected.

Young, inexpensive, controllable, high-ceiling starting pitching remains the MOST valuable commodity in the game.

(In case you haven't noticed, the Braves are once again loaded with it.)
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Unfortunately, we're talking about two of the top pitchers in the game, true aces, and number 1 starters. None of caliber which the Braves seemed to have acquired in trades.
 
thewupk said:
I don't think that's clear at all. I think what's clear is that the current market prices for free agents continues to climb. Just because Greinke and Price signed first doesn't make them more valuable. In fact recent FA signing have shown that hitters have been getting paid more at a production level.
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Blowing smoke out of your ass...as usual. Gee, maybe someone will offer St. Jason $30MM/year, just to prove that you're really Wile E Coyete, Super Genius.
 
Knucksie said:
Blowing smoke out of your ass...as usual. Gee, maybe someone will offer St. Jason $30MM/year, just to prove that you're really Wile E Coyete, Super Genius.
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What does any of that have to do with Jason? Top pitchers and hitters have been signing for 30+ for a few years now. Hitters have been signing for more $/WAR than pitchers. Nobody is wanting to give up young position players in trades. And yet all of that points to pitchers somehow being more valuable?
 
thewupk said:
What does any of that have to do with Jason? Top pitchers and hitters have been signing for 30+ for a few years now. Hitters have been signing for more $/WAR than pitchers. Nobody is wanting to give up young position players in trades. And yet all of that points to pitchers somehow being more valuable?
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But teams ARE willing to give up hitting. Oakland sent bats to the Cubs. The Red Sox sent bats to the Pads. The Astros sent bats to the Brewers. That's just off the top of my head. Teams don't want to give up any kind of prospects but that's not new. They do anyway when the needs line up.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
But teams ARE willing to give up hitting. Oakland sent bats to the Cubs. The Red Sox sent bats to the Pads. The Astros sent bats to the Brewers. That's just off the top of my head. Teams don't want to give up any kind of prospects but that's not new. They do anyway when the needs line up.
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who says the Braves have been asking for hitters? At least until now. Seriously. Reports are falsified often.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
But teams ARE willing to give up hitting. Oakland sent bats to the Cubs. The Red Sox sent bats to the Pads. The Astros sent bats to the Brewers. That's just off the top of my head. Teams don't want to give up any kind of prospects but that's not new. They do anyway when the needs line up.
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Yes there are some examples but they are in the minority. I think if you look at the overall picture the last 2-3 years that in trades and in the FA market that hitters bringing back more in trades and getting better contracts.
 
thewupk said:
Yes there are some examples but they are in the minority. I think if you look at the overall picture the last 2-3 years that in trades and in the FA market that hitters bringing back more in trades and getting better contracts.
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The largest free agent signings the last couple of off-seasons (to date) have all been pitchers by far. No hitter received a 100 million dollar contract last offseason, while 4 pitchers have already signed 100+ million dollar contracts during this span. And at least 2 more pitchers are primed for 100 million dollar contracts as well. So I don't agree with that statement at all. It seems good pitching is still valued very highly.
 
Carp said:
The largest free agent signings the last couple of off-seasons (to date) have all been pitchers by far. No hitter received a 100 million dollar contract last offseason, while 4 pitchers have already signed 100+ million dollar contracts during this span. And at least 2 more pitchers are primed for 100 million dollar contracts as well. So I don't agree with that statement at all. It seems good pitching is still valued very highly.
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Look at the quality of pitchers compared to hitters. There have been better pitchers hit the open market the last couple of years so of course those pitchers would get more. When you compare hitters and pitchers who are the same quality wise, the hitters have been getting more money. All you have to do is look at the contracts of Stanton and Trout and see what they got while not even hitting the open market. Think of what Harper is going to get in a couple of years. Those are the types of hitters you should compare the Greinkes, Prices, and Scherzers too.
 
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