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Was it you who said the middle class had been gutted?
The Trump Presidency
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Was it you who said the middle class had been gutted?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Like I said, I think that Trump probably doesn't know the rudiments of how the government functions, much fathom its deeper complexities. You can probably make a decent argument that this matters less than we think, but it does create a situation where the President is depending that much more on the people around him. That requires trusting the President's discernment and intelligence w/r/t to the people he chooses, and I have to think even the biggest Trump homers would have some concerns here.
57Brave
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it was also I who in July said the Dodgers were the best looking team I had seen in years.
Which has the relevance of the silly comment you made to posting jobs numbers
Yes the middle class has been in decline since the early 1980's. Wemcould look at graphs and charts and explanations of graphs and charts until the cow come home.
This isn't some new idea.
A jobs report from 2 years ago doesn't change that.
Unless that single report becomes a piece of a pattern to reverse the gutting of the middle class. Since 1980
The decline from 2016 to 17 speaks only to the fallacious notion that Trump has taken a weak jobs market and turned it around.
Numbers tell a different story
Sturg, it is becoming more and more apparent, you have nothing to say.
Which has the relevance of the silly comment you made to posting jobs numbers
Yes the middle class has been in decline since the early 1980's. Wemcould look at graphs and charts and explanations of graphs and charts until the cow come home.
This isn't some new idea.
A jobs report from 2 years ago doesn't change that.
Unless that single report becomes a piece of a pattern to reverse the gutting of the middle class. Since 1980
The decline from 2016 to 17 speaks only to the fallacious notion that Trump has taken a weak jobs market and turned it around.
Numbers tell a different story
Sturg, it is becoming more and more apparent, you have nothing to say.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yeah, there are some strange blind spots here.
The pace of job growth has slowed because we're at full employment.
How'd we get to full employment?
During the Obama Depression, apparently. Seems like we'd have been too busy boiling shoe leather to eat and running around saving our relatives from death panels.
The pace of job growth has slowed because we're at full employment.
How'd we get to full employment?
During the Obama Depression, apparently. Seems like we'd have been too busy boiling shoe leather to eat and running around saving our relatives from death panels.
sturg33
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I don't think Trump has good judgment at all.
But i think he does less harm than his predecessors because he's involving government less. Honestly if does nothing else in his Presidency, the regulation gutting and tax cuts are a big win.
Hopefully, more horrible government law will be destroyed, but one step at a time
sturg33
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Honestly I don't give Trump credit for employment numbers.
I'll give him credit for wage increases, cap ex, and GDP growth, and capital gains though
57Brave
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Tell me more about Gary Johnson
57Brave
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there is no such thing as "what was the propaganda"
but of course nuance is brushed over if not totally ignored in pseudo intellectual business manuals.
I am re reading Alice in Wonderland and after that planning of going back through Robert Louis Stevenson
then with baseball season -------------- hoping for recommendations of baseball related books
but of course nuance is brushed over if not totally ignored in pseudo intellectual business manuals.
I am re reading Alice in Wonderland and after that planning of going back through Robert Louis Stevenson
then with baseball season -------------- hoping for recommendations of baseball related books
57Brave
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this interesting take:
Seth Abramson
Verified account @SethAbramson
17m17 minutes ago
Seth Abramson Retweeted Jules
Trump wanted a long-term relationship with Russian business interests and Kremlin officials
so that when he lost he could do what he and Don Jr. always wanted: expand into Russia.
Taking aid helped build a relationship; being seen to be fighting hard to win helped build goodwill.
Seth Abramson
Verified account @SethAbramson
17m17 minutes ago
Seth Abramson Retweeted Jules
Trump wanted a long-term relationship with Russian business interests and Kremlin officials
so that when he lost he could do what he and Don Jr. always wanted: expand into Russia.
Taking aid helped build a relationship; being seen to be fighting hard to win helped build goodwill.
57Brave
Well-known member
Seth Abramson
Verified account @SethAbramson
1h1 hour ago
A core truth we've learned from the Wolff book that many are overlooking:
the fact that Trump didn't want or expect to be president means he didn't want
or intend to help ANY of those he claimed to want to help, and instead intended
to leave them with Clinton as their president.
Verified account @SethAbramson
1h1 hour ago
A core truth we've learned from the Wolff book that many are overlooking:
the fact that Trump didn't want or expect to be president means he didn't want
or intend to help ANY of those he claimed to want to help, and instead intended
to leave them with Clinton as their president.
cajunrevenge
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Lolololol, what's next, a Russian propoganda campaign to get blacks not to like Jeff Sessions?
Sigh.
The attack I am referring to, on the ROKS Cheonan, happened in 2010.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/22/north-korea-cheonan-sinking-torpedo
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/south.korea.cheonan.report/index.html
They even made a movie about it:
Same father, different mother. Call them siblings ... or don't. The point remains.
Actually, I was incorrect. VX nerve gas was used in the assassination.
It's the most deadly chemical agent known to man and is considered a weapon of mass destruction (and thusly, internationally banned.)
So, let's call it a "VX assassination" ... does that straighten things out for you?
Or are you disputing that VX was indeed used in the ___ assassination ____?
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-kim-jong-nam-within-20-minutes-malaysia-says
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-s-kim-jong-nam-killed-vx-most-toxic-n725131
And how, exactly, do you arrive at that conclusion?
The North Korean embassy is still open in Malaysia for ****'s sake.
Lol.
Spoken like a silly, entitled American who has never been conscribed.
Why? Do you have any concept of what it entails?
Yes, the well-being of others is truly hilarious.
Lol. Now this is a funny.
Believe it or not, there are options aside from sitting there with thumbs up asses. I've written about them, at length, in other threads about North Korea. My take in the context of this discussion is irrelevant, because the issue here is that you can't recognize North Korea as a bad actor. We haven't even gotten to the policy yet.
No, they are not.
Are you just making this up because you think it sounds right? North Korea is just as "isolated internationally" as it was in 1953. They have militarized more rapidly (and meaningfully) over the course of the past 5-10 years than at any point in their history.
A nuke is not obsolete. They don't even need an ICBM to carry it for it to be a threat to US interests.
Hold my coffee.
We've known this, and done that, for over 50 years.
When all else fails, steal ideas from the Chinese.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/world/asia/china-north-korea-border.html?_r=0
I'm not sure how you think "international condemnation" can be increased to any greater level.
History proves you wrong.
We already know exactly where all North Korea's launch sites and bunkers are. And they have dedicated facilities for this type of thing.
Been there, done that, dude.
I think we'll see Kim visit the White House sometime during Trump's second term.
Lol. Did you really just write that?
The attack I am referring to, on the ROKS Cheonan, happened in 2010.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/22/north-korea-cheonan-sinking-torpedo
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/south.korea.cheonan.report/index.html
They even made a movie about it:
Same father, different mother. Call them siblings ... or don't. The point remains.
Actually, I was incorrect. VX nerve gas was used in the assassination.
It's the most deadly chemical agent known to man and is considered a weapon of mass destruction (and thusly, internationally banned.)
So, let's call it a "VX assassination" ... does that straighten things out for you?
Or are you disputing that VX was indeed used in the ___ assassination ____?
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-kim-jong-nam-within-20-minutes-malaysia-says
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-s-kim-jong-nam-killed-vx-most-toxic-n725131
And how, exactly, do you arrive at that conclusion?
The North Korean embassy is still open in Malaysia for ****'s sake.
Lol.
Spoken like a silly, entitled American who has never been conscribed.
Why? Do you have any concept of what it entails?
Yes, the well-being of others is truly hilarious.
Lol. Now this is a funny.
Believe it or not, there are options aside from sitting there with thumbs up asses. I've written about them, at length, in other threads about North Korea. My take in the context of this discussion is irrelevant, because the issue here is that you can't recognize North Korea as a bad actor. We haven't even gotten to the policy yet.
No, they are not.
Are you just making this up because you think it sounds right? North Korea is just as "isolated internationally" as it was in 1953. They have militarized more rapidly (and meaningfully) over the course of the past 5-10 years than at any point in their history.
A nuke is not obsolete. They don't even need an ICBM to carry it for it to be a threat to US interests.
Hold my coffee.
We've known this, and done that, for over 50 years.
When all else fails, steal ideas from the Chinese.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/world/asia/china-north-korea-border.html?_r=0
I'm not sure how you think "international condemnation" can be increased to any greater level.
History proves you wrong.
We already know exactly where all North Korea's launch sites and bunkers are. And they have dedicated facilities for this type of thing.
Been there, done that, dude.
I think we'll see Kim visit the White House sometime during Trump's second term.
Lol. Did you really just write that?
I worked in Seoul, teaching business English to LG salarymen and Asiana flight attendants, for a time between undergrad and grad school. It was the best job (and most fun) I've ever had in my life.
My significant other is a Korean citizen - we met in Seoul a few years ago. I spend about 3 months of the year in East Asia, split between work and personal excursions.
Have you visited Korea?