The Trump Presidency

sturg33 said:
Of course it warrants an investigation... we've been doing it for 7 months, didn't like that we couldn't find anything, so we're starting a new one.

Now this Comey testimony was supposed to let us impeach Trump, and it produced nothing - as many predicted.

The left will beat this to the ground, but have still failed to uncover any evidence of anything.
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Wait, where are you getting the info that the investigation is over?
 
weso1 said:
They're not feelings, they are definitions. Socialism is based on collection and redistribution. How do you collect without an actual use of force? By definition capitalism doesn't require that same use of force. The difference is that there's a literal gun to my head, rather than just the figurative one that you think is just always there. Not saying I agree with your language, but if that gun did exist then it exists in a socialist society as well. In other words you would have the figurative gun of life and the literal gun of the socialist state. So, no it's not just as much of an enforced system. In fact in a capitalist system you are more than free to create a socialist community within that system.
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There's literally no "literal gun" necessitated by socialism. And I know you think you're dealing in "definitions", but you're simply not: you're providing your understanding of the implications of a system, which is not commensurate with a/the definition of said system.

Any economic ordering of a polity will be coercive to some degree, as whatever form of governance is employed will always include, among its constituents, dissenters to the prevailing institutional system. Democratic systems (which is admittedly a broad swath in terms of actual instantiations) attempt to limit the number of arch-dissenters by including greater shares of the polity in the decision-making; if a polity democratically elects to transition to a socialist system, it's no more coercive than a polity democratically electing to remain under a capitalist system (whatever the precise instantiation).

As the for more specific morality of capitalism versus socialism: you're free to diverge; neither of our moral frameworks are absolute. I personally believe that capitalism (and particularly capitalism sans regulation) is inherently immoral, since I believe—as abovementioned—that capitalism's natural telos is the consolidation of wealth to the holders of wealth, producing a dramatic asymmetry of resources. And I would argue history suggests that I'm not wrong to suppose this. Moreover, as I have said to sturg before, by moral understanding is founded on the belief that it is better to trade some measure of unrestricted liberty (say, the freedom to accumulate massive amounts of wealth; or the freedom to pursue any industry, and the attendant profits, without concern for the negative ramifications to society) for some measure of freedom from want (say, a baseline level of material security for every member of the polity). To this end, I have no qualms in denying material excesses to the few in order to ensure material security for the many—and if the many agree with this position, no "literal gun" is necessary at all for its implementation (assuming you still believe in the overall viability of democratic systems, even a mitigated one such as we have in the United States).

Lastly—and just for shiz&gigs—I'd love for you to demonstrate how one would be "free to create a socialist community within" a capitalist system without being first forced to participate in the capitalist system.
 
Ben Wieder‏Verified account @benbwieder 4h4 hours ago

Things Comey can't discuss in open session: Russian dossier, Sessions recusal, Flynn and Russia, alleged Russian back-channel, VEB

This is where the meat is. Or isn't
 
Douchey... but correct

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57Brave said:
Ben Wieder‏Verified account @benbwieder 4h4 hours ago



Things Comey can't discuss in open session: Russian dossier, Sessions recusal, Flynn and Russia, alleged Russian back-channel, VEB

This is where the meat is. Or isn't
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Keep holding out hope....
 
Brian Schatz‏Verified account @brianschatz

Keep careful track of what elected Republicans do over the next few days and weeks. This will define their careers and their legacies.
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Wouldn't that be Amash and Sasse ?
 
thethe said:
Even if all those people have had improper relationships with the Russians that doesn't imply anything other than bad judgement like you stated. This has always been a witch hunt against Trump when he in all likelihood had nothing to do with anything. I think it's highly unlikely to think that this would be the first time any WH personal had ties to Russia. We are in a global world and these career military men/poliricians rub elbows all over the world.

I just refuse to believe Russia is our number 1 enemey in the world right now. Always need to keep an eye on them but this charade has really masked what the true problem is in the world.

I get that you want it investigated. Let's have it and see what happen's but don't expect the next alarm to be take seriously if nothing is found.
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:suprise:
 
NY Times now claiming they can't find their sources so that they can provide a response to Comey testimony. What a joke. No rEason to take any reporting about this administration seriously from that trash.
 
thethe said:
How a man like this was made FBI director is astonishing.
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Media whore?

Because he didn't roll over for Chump and let him completely compromise the FBI? Comey is an honest public servant who is in the mess because of the filth that is The Donald. He sullies and defiles everything he comes into contact with. (Just look what he has done to you.) The more honest and clean you are to begin with, the more damage he does to you.

This is exactly why good and smart people refuse to work with him. Unfortunately, Comey had no choice. Just doing his job honestly and professionally brings him to this point.

Shame on you for attacking a good man.
 
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