The Trump Presidency

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bear in mind -------- consumer confidence is up
 
Unlike the Dems, I didn't sabotage Bernie Sanders in the primaries, then try to cover my tracks with ludicrous Russia conspiracy theories.
 
no, my point is this slippery slope has been in place since -- shoot before WWII.
Peter the Great

Kind of understood in the geo political world to never ever trust anything Russian.

Hawk and I had a discussion when the possibility of Russian interference came to light or maybe before that when Trump first publicly praised Putin.
I am all for making nice with Russia -- it is Putin --- it is Putin.

you guys go on and on about Seth ... (forget his name) or Vince Foster etc.
But there are in real time Russian journalists, in the open, being killed for what they write.
Read that twice

Do I think they hacked the election -- .
of course they did.

Do I think they have blackmailable information on everyone from Paul Ryan to Mike Pence to Rand Paul
Of course they do

Have they made that info available to Trump
Of course they have

Did Putin personally order the wiretaps
Of course he did - in the Nixonian sense

Does Trump want Putin ish authority
Of course he does.

Where did Russia get the voter roll data necessary to target propaganda ?
What is in Trumps tax returns he doesn't want anyone to see
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I'd think one would have to have lived under a rock to not see any of those things
 
Trump releasing his tax returns opens himself up to a myriad of wild goose chases from the establishment trying to take him down. We would have a 'russian' story for every country he's ever done business in. There is no positive in him releasing his returns.

As for Putin. Nobody has ever said this guy is a good person for the things that have taken place in his country. But you have to prioritize our enemies. We need Russia to figure out what to do with Islamic extemism. That's my stance.
 
while turning a blind eye to Russian expansion.

No one profits going into business with the Russians.
History my friend -- history

Russia needs us we don't need Russia
That is what scares me about Trump's ties to Putin.

Obama characterized Putin as the guy in the back of the classroom slouched in his chair.

People like Putin respect power. Obama sanctions brought the Russian economy to its knees
Trump easing those sanctions - as spelled out in the (R) platform -- after the June meeting and after Manaforts ascension to campaign manager
Is not what Russia respects.
They got Trump n their pocket -- and the tax returns will show his indebtedness to Russian underworld interests that Putin holds over Trumps head
This isn't complicated.
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Why wouldn't he release the returns December 2015 like he promised before Russian involvement was ever in light ?
 
I already answered that question about his returns.

And we do need Russia because radical Islam is an infection that has spread throughout the world. We need as many allies as possible to save the west.
 
thethe said:
I already answered that question about his returns.

And we do need Russia because radical Islam is an infection that has spread throughout the world. We need as many allies as possible to save the west.
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We disagree on the degree of threat Islam poses and in going onto business with Russia to fight that abstract threat.
I feel we are more threatened by Saudi Arabia than random fanatics
 
Saudi Arabia has trillions invested in the US and we fight their wars for them. Their royal family loves us. Its the common folk who hate us. The Royal family mostly pays protection money to terrorists to leave them alone which is in a way funding terrorists.
 
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