The Trump Presidency
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weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
So you are for violence against hate speech?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
No, and I think that giving them a street fight is playing into their hands, to a degree. But that isn't to say that I accept your bull**** framing. And, it's missing the bigger picture.
One of those Nazis killed a woman and maimed many others. You're blaming who?
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I blame the nazi who committed murder, the event organizer who planned this event and the officials who decided the police needed to stand down. I'm relieved to hear that you and I both agree that we also need to quash this idea that punch a nazi is a reasonable position.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
That's an interesting take, since yesterday you wrote a love note to Proud Boys, who can't really be super-secret level 112 Proud Boys unless they punch an antifa.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
America is being punished is what is happening.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I think we already discussed false equivalencies. I'll be happy to move onto discussing Dad jokes if you want to discuss your idea of humor.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
i'm down to escalate the situation from punching nazi's to just outright killing them with a bullet to the head. **** them. my grandfathers thought the same way and went and fought them and didn't do so so some orange piece of **** nazi sympathizer in the white house could help give them the idea they are alright or to be lived with
As well as one who is adeptly persuasive. I'd also posit that post-fascism requires a relatively benign demagogue.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
No, I'm sure that conversation would be way too edgy for me. In addition to being a dad, I'm also an easily-triggered sjw snowflake.
But do help me out...punch a nazi=bad, punch an antifa=good? If you were joking, I guess that's part of that vaunted edgy alt-right humor that a dad joke guy like me doesn't get.
Resistance is futile.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I am certifiably intrigued. Who plays the heel to the benign demagogue's face?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Donald Trump Just Gave the Press Conference of the Alt-Right’s Dreams
Let’s be very clear about what just happened at Donald Trump’s press conference. He gave the alt-right its greatest national media moment ever. He even called some of them “very fine people.” Don’t believe me? Watch this key statement:
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Here’s the quote: Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
To understand the significance of Trump’s words, you have to understand a bit about the alt-right. While its members certainly march with Nazis and make common cause with neo-Confederates, it views itself as something different. They’re the “intellectual” adherents to white identity politics. They believe their movement is substantially different and more serious than the Klansmen of days past. When Trump carves them away from the Nazis and distinguishes them from the neo-Confederates, he’s doing exactly what they want. He’s making them respectable. He’s making them different. But “very fine people” don’t march with tiki torches chanting “blood and soil” or “Jews will not replace us.” The Charlottesville rally was a specific “unite the right” rally that sought to bind the alt-right together with all these other groups. The alt-right wants it both ways. They want the strength in numbers of the larger fascist right while also enjoying the credibility granted them by Breitbart, Steve Bannon, Milo, and — today — the president of the United States. The most pernicious forms of evil always mix truth and lies. So, yes, there were kernels of truth in some of Trump’s statements. No question there were hateful, violent leftists in Charlottesville this weekend. And on the question of monuments, Trump is right to point out the lack of a limiting principle. We already know that some on the Left have their eyes set on demolishing or removing monuments and memorials that have nothing to do with the Confederacy, but all that pales in importance compared to his stubborn and angry attempts not just at moral equivalence (after all, no one on the Left committed murder this weekend) but at actually whitewashing evil. What makes this all the more puzzling is that it is so easy to say the right thing here. Do not call anyone at a racist rally a ”very fine” person. It’s not hard to name and condemn an act of alt-right terrorism. It’s not hard to name and condemn the alt-right without equivocation. And it’s not hard to also condemn political violence on all sides. If you think Trump did those things, and sent the right message to the racists, think again. Alt-right Twitter overflowed with gratitude. Richard Spencer declared that Trump “cares about the truth,” and others complimented him for his “uncucking.” This jubilant tweet from David Duke says it all:
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Donald Trump loves people who love him, and the vile and vicious alt-right has loved him from the beginning. Today, he loved them right back.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-just-gave-press-conference-alt-rights-dreams
Let’s be very clear about what just happened at Donald Trump’s press conference. He gave the alt-right its greatest national media moment ever. He even called some of them “very fine people.” Don’t believe me? Watch this key statement:
[tw]897555267587461121[/tw]
Here’s the quote: Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
To understand the significance of Trump’s words, you have to understand a bit about the alt-right. While its members certainly march with Nazis and make common cause with neo-Confederates, it views itself as something different. They’re the “intellectual” adherents to white identity politics. They believe their movement is substantially different and more serious than the Klansmen of days past. When Trump carves them away from the Nazis and distinguishes them from the neo-Confederates, he’s doing exactly what they want. He’s making them respectable. He’s making them different. But “very fine people” don’t march with tiki torches chanting “blood and soil” or “Jews will not replace us.” The Charlottesville rally was a specific “unite the right” rally that sought to bind the alt-right together with all these other groups. The alt-right wants it both ways. They want the strength in numbers of the larger fascist right while also enjoying the credibility granted them by Breitbart, Steve Bannon, Milo, and — today — the president of the United States. The most pernicious forms of evil always mix truth and lies. So, yes, there were kernels of truth in some of Trump’s statements. No question there were hateful, violent leftists in Charlottesville this weekend. And on the question of monuments, Trump is right to point out the lack of a limiting principle. We already know that some on the Left have their eyes set on demolishing or removing monuments and memorials that have nothing to do with the Confederacy, but all that pales in importance compared to his stubborn and angry attempts not just at moral equivalence (after all, no one on the Left committed murder this weekend) but at actually whitewashing evil. What makes this all the more puzzling is that it is so easy to say the right thing here. Do not call anyone at a racist rally a ”very fine” person. It’s not hard to name and condemn an act of alt-right terrorism. It’s not hard to name and condemn the alt-right without equivocation. And it’s not hard to also condemn political violence on all sides. If you think Trump did those things, and sent the right message to the racists, think again. Alt-right Twitter overflowed with gratitude. Richard Spencer declared that Trump “cares about the truth,” and others complimented him for his “uncucking.” This jubilant tweet from David Duke says it all:
[tw]897559892164304896[/tw]
Donald Trump loves people who love him, and the vile and vicious alt-right has loved him from the beginning. Today, he loved them right back.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-just-gave-press-conference-alt-rights-dreams
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
What really blew my mind about that shipwreck of a press conference--and something I'd missed until this evening--was the bit about changing the name of the park from Lee Park to "something else." The something else is Emancipation Park. Sure, it's five syllables, but dude, just say it. Any of your immediate predecessors would have.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Well written. I wish I could say I'm shocked that people can't come to terms with reality on this and acknowledge the real root of the tragedy. But I already know it's because they don't want to and refuse to.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Hey, Weso, here's a NC KKK honcho taking your exact line on those nasty anti-fascists obstructing freedom of speech:
“We were out there and I seen a lot of Communist flags and anti-fascist and we’re going to see more stuff like this,” Moore said. “White people are getting fed up with the double standard setup in America today by the controlled press.
“We should have been able to go out there and have our protest and it should have been peaceful but it’s the anti-fascist and the communists...continuing to try and stop us,” he continued. “So I think there will be more violence like this in the future to come.”
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“I’m sorta glad that them people got hit and I’m glad that girl died,” Moore said in a voicemail to WBTV. “They were a bunch of Communists out there protesting against somebody’s freedom of speech, so it doesn’t bother me that they got hurt at all.”
“We were out there and I seen a lot of Communist flags and anti-fascist and we’re going to see more stuff like this,” Moore said. “White people are getting fed up with the double standard setup in America today by the controlled press.
“We should have been able to go out there and have our protest and it should have been peaceful but it’s the anti-fascist and the communists...continuing to try and stop us,” he continued. “So I think there will be more violence like this in the future to come.”
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“I’m sorta glad that them people got hit and I’m glad that girl died,” Moore said in a voicemail to WBTV. “They were a bunch of Communists out there protesting against somebody’s freedom of speech, so it doesn’t bother me that they got hurt at all.”
I need to watch the whole presser.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
just another low for this country
i have to give it to the orange one, he can always find a new low to sink to everytime i think we have hit rock bottom
DaneHill
Well-known member
I don't think I like that chant.