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Donald Trump Just Gave the Press Conference of the Alt-Right’s Dreams

Let’s be very clear about what just happened at Donald Trump’s press conference. He gave the alt-right its greatest national media moment ever. He even called some of them “very fine people.” Don’t believe me? Watch this key statement:

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Here’s the quote: Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

To understand the significance of Trump’s words, you have to understand a bit about the alt-right. While its members certainly march with Nazis and make common cause with neo-Confederates, it views itself as something different. They’re the “intellectual” adherents to white identity politics. They believe their movement is substantially different and more serious than the Klansmen of days past. When Trump carves them away from the Nazis and distinguishes them from the neo-Confederates, he’s doing exactly what they want. He’s making them respectable. He’s making them different. But “very fine people” don’t march with tiki torches chanting “blood and soil” or “Jews will not replace us.” The Charlottesville rally was a specific “unite the right” rally that sought to bind the alt-right together with all these other groups. The alt-right wants it both ways. They want the strength in numbers of the larger fascist right while also enjoying the credibility granted them by Breitbart, Steve Bannon, Milo, and — today — the president of the United States. The most pernicious forms of evil always mix truth and lies. So, yes, there were kernels of truth in some of Trump’s statements. No question there were hateful, violent leftists in Charlottesville this weekend. And on the question of monuments, Trump is right to point out the lack of a limiting principle. We already know that some on the Left have their eyes set on demolishing or removing monuments and memorials that have nothing to do with the Confederacy, but all that pales in importance compared to his stubborn and angry attempts not just at moral equivalence (after all, no one on the Left committed murder this weekend) but at actually whitewashing evil. What makes this all the more puzzling is that it is so easy to say the right thing here. Do not call anyone at a racist rally a ”very fine” person. It’s not hard to name and condemn an act of alt-right terrorism. It’s not hard to name and condemn the alt-right without equivocation. And it’s not hard to also condemn political violence on all sides. If you think Trump did those things, and sent the right message to the racists, think again. Alt-right Twitter overflowed with gratitude. Richard Spencer declared that Trump “cares about the truth,” and others complimented him for his “uncucking.” This jubilant tweet from David Duke says it all:

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Donald Trump loves people who love him, and the vile and vicious alt-right has loved him from the beginning. Today, he loved them right back.

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So nobody on the left committed murdered anyone at Charlettsville but what about when cops were executed in Dallas by BLM? What does that say about the good people on the left that march with them? Can we now equate these fine members of the alt-left with murderers? When BLM protestors scream 'White people in the back" or "What do we want? Dead Cops. When do we want them? Now"..thats ok to march side by side with those people?

There are a lot of similarities on both sides to what is happening in the current day.
 
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I'm just wondering why the same arguments are not made about both sides. Why are all these statements only directed at the right?

I mean - I know the answer but I just like to make sure that its out there that there is a massive double standard in the media and in our culture today.

Anti-Fa trains to fight so they can come to these rallys and make them non-peaceful. Then the Liberal media can report at how violent a rally was that was initially organized by the alt-right. Its a great scheme and you sheep just continue to get sucked into this until we get to a point where no speech is protected.
 
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I'm just wondering why the same arguments are not made about both sides. Why are all these statements only directed at the right?
When a group rises up to attack our most cherished fundamentals, I hope that an equal force will rise up to stop it.

I mean - I know the answer but I just like to make sure that its out there that there is a massive double standard in the media and in our culture today.

Anti-Fa trains to fight so they can come to these rallys and make them non-peaceful. Then the Liberal media can report at how violent a rally was that was initially organized by the alt-right. Its a great scheme and you sheep just continue to get sucked into this until we get to a point where no speech is protected.

Do you really think there is such a thing as a "peaceful" white nationalist protest? If they really wanted to put for a sensible, peaceful argument, why were they then flying the Nazi flag and yelling Nazi and and other hateful slogans?

You think the white nationalists, Nazis and Confederates should be given protect space to promote their causes. How about ISIS? Do you want to protect their speech too? Are not both are inherently evil and antithetical to a free and democratic society?
 
Is freedom of speech one of our most cherished fundamentals?

Can you give an example of a violent protest that didn't involve anti fa?

Not even going to bother responding about ISIS. It just screams at where the priorities are for the left. Even with all the incredibly awful things that Nazism stands for it pales in comparison to what radical Islam will do to our society
 
Is freedom of speech one of our most cherished fundamentals?

Can you give an example of a violent protest that didn't involve anti fa?

Not even going to bother responding about ISIS. It just screams at where the priorities are for the left. Even with all the incredibly awful things that Nazism stands for it pales in comparison to what radical Islam will do to our society

Besides the fact that it eradicated a large chunk of a demographic of people in the 30s and 40s.
 
Besides the fact that it eradicated a large chunk of a demographic of people in the 30s and 40s.

Nobody needs to lecture me about what the Nazis did. My grandfather told me about it while he showed the numbers tattooed on his arm.

Raidcal Islam will do all of same while also mixing in a nice side of female genital mutilation and rape.
 
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Remember in Christmas Story when Ralphie punched and punched and punched Scut Farkus.
His Mom had to come and pull him off
Remember

Was Ralphie at fault for bloodying the bully's nose or was Scut at fault for all the torment the bully laid on Ralphie, Flick and Schwartz

I don't think I've ever doubted where I stood
you ?
 
Nobody needs to lecture me about what the Nazis did. My grandfather told me about it while he showed the numbers tattooed on his arm.

Raidcal Islam will do all of same while also mixing in a nice side of female genital mutilation and rape.

Your Grandfather -- which side of this rally would he have stood ?
 
Your Grandfather -- which side of this rally would he have stood ?

THe answer to that question is obvious.

Doesn't change my interpretation of what happened that day. Please show me where I've defended anyone donning Nazi gear on that day.

My stance has been clear. I do not approve of limited speech in this country and that is what has been going on for far too long now.
 
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THe answer to that question is obvious.

Doesn't change my interpretation of what happened that day. Please show me where I've defended anyone donning Nazi gear on that day.

My stance has been clear. I do not approve of limited speech in this country and that is what has been going on for far too long now.

By your writings
You are in effect defending Vichy France while condemning the French Resistance.

Therefore, giving sanction to the Germans who tattooed your Grandfather.

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equating Vichy France with the French Resistance
 
By your writings
You are in effect defending Vichy France while condemning the French Resistance.

Therefore, giving sanction to the Germans who tattooed your Grandfather.

And you are using a group of disgusting people to justify silencing the legitimate gripes of a much larger grouping.
 
And you are using a group of disgusting people to justify silencing the legitimate gripes of a much larger grouping.

Isn't that all the more reason to come out hard against these clowns? I'm not happy with the direction of this country when it comes to a growing acceptance of smothering free speech (among other gripes), but I'm not about to hitch my wagon to a bunch of neo-Nazis defending Confederacy statues. Not exactly the turf you want to do battle on when you're trying to win the hearts and minds of the rest of the country.

The "much larger grouping" should be pretty pissed off that their legitimate gripes are being undermined by, frankly, domestic terrorists (I know I'm painting with a broad brush, but so be it).
 
Isn't that all the more reason to come out hard against these clowns? I'm not happy with the direction of this country when it comes to a growing acceptance of smothering free speech (among other gripes), but I'm not about to hitch my wagon to a bunch of neo-Nazis defending Confederacy statues. Not exactly the turf you want to do battle on when you're trying to win the hearts and minds of the rest of the country.

The "much larger grouping" should be pretty pissed off that their legitimate gripes are being undermined by, frankly, domestic terrorists (I know I'm painting with a broad brush, but so be it).

Agreed. I'm not seeing this outcry to defend the actions of Nazis though.
 
Agreed. I'm not seeing this outcry to defend the actions of Nazis though.

Yeah, this is also a dangerous equivalence fallacy that I've seen happening in reverse fashion. You like Confederate statue? You Neo-Nazi. You like Trump? You White Nationalist.
 
Is the argument here that everyone should have just let the Nazis and Klansmen have their rally and not stood up to them?

Let me preface this with the obligatory: I have no sympathy for the Nazis. I hope they all see the light and lose the hate in their heart.

I can't remember the last time a violent group of any political type opposed an Antifa or BLM "peaceful demonstration", even when that "peaceful demonstration" involved breaking into shops, burning cars, widespread looting, gang attacking innocent bystanders, etc. Are you saying someone should?

You guys going off on the crazy skinheads need to see the light. Hate is hate. BLM, Antifa, skinheads, klansmen, none of them want to make the world a better place for everybody, they want to make it a better place for their kind. That isn't how you get along, that can't make things better, that only creates further division.
 
Yeah, this is also a dangerous equivalence fallacy that I've seen happening in reverse fashion. You like Confederate statue? You Neo-Nazi. You like Trump? You White Nationalist.

It is the militant method to silence opposition views. The fact that people are not seeing what is happening is all the more scary.

Anti-Fa has violently protested around the world for 18 months and people pretend that didn't happen. Then there was violence at a rally where both White Nationalists/Neo-Nazis and Anti-Fa was there and now all of a sudden the alt-right is the dangerous group. We are witnessing the ultimate con with the end goal of performing a coup here in the US.
 
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