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It feels like all those soldiers died in the Civil War and WWII for nothing.
Is that actually what it feels like?
you guys need help
It feels like all those soldiers died in the Civil War and WWII for nothing.
I've asked twice and have gotten one incomplete answer...
but are we willing and ready to start tearing down any monument of a slave owner?
I've asked twice and have gotten one incomplete answer...
but are we willing and ready to start tearing down any monument of a slave owner?
not germane
I believe I read a leftist group was protesting yesterday at the Museum of Natl History in NYC to get a Teddy Roosevelt statue removed (not the first time)
I believe I read a leftist group was protesting yesterday at the Museum of Natl History in NYC to get a Teddy Roosevelt statue removed (not the first time)
Why not?
By all accounts, Lee was a respected general, an American hero, who was asked to fight for the north, and was forgiven post-war for fighting for the south.
Well OK... none of that matters since he fought for the south and is thus a racist nazi whatever the word of the day is. Fine
By all accounts, Washing was a great leader, a great military man, the founder of our country, and ensure to give the power back to the people.
Well OK... none of that matters because he was OK with owning slaves and treating blacks as propoerty.
I'm not sure why it's not relevant. I think this is the direction we are going, and I think these decisions will be next.
Like I said, uniersities are already fighting to take down Jefferson... and see aces' post above
I added to my post.
By all accounts, Lee was a respected general, an American hero, who was asked to fight for the north, and was forgiven post-war for fighting for the south.
So you would then protest a removal of TJ statue (I believe it was Brown University wanting it to tear it down)?
Not convincing. By all accounts Rommel was a very fine man and not a fan of Hitler's. And yet if some folks in Germany wanted to honor his memory I would view it as highly inappropriate. There are so many better causes to which to devote one's energy than the historical reputations of people like Lee and Rommel. If you are a historian and want to write a balanced biography of one of them, fine. But if you are going to spend your energy arguing about the erection or maintenance of statues in their honor, I would think there is something wrong with you. As I mentioned earlier with some people, I think it is merely a weird hobby. With others, it is something much worse.
I'm more concerned with the PC culture violently taking over this country. I see no reason to pull down a Lee statue.
PC culture is a bad thing. I agree. But I really don't think that's what the "Unite the Right" march was about. Under the cloak of advocating against PC culture, they were advancing a really sinister agenda.
Maybe so.. but PC culture gave them a platform
I've asked twice and have gotten one incomplete answer...
but are we willing and ready to start tearing down any monument of a slave owner?
You think my answer was incomplete? Ok, here. 1) Your question is dumb and irrelevant. 2) Thomas Jefferson and George Washington are not honored today because they were slave owners. They are honored today because they are the Founding Fathers of this country. So 3) no, generally speaking, no one is willing nor ready to start tearing down those monuments, and for the handful of folks that might be thinking it, then they are wrong. People are ready and willing to tear down monuments of the Confederacy today because they have grown into less about honoring the history of the South and more about rallying the white racist underbelly of society.
And again, I personally, as a fan of U.S. history, good and tragic, do not like that these monuments are being taken down because I don't like to see our darker moments as Americans being swept under the rug. There's a certain 'book burning' feel to the whole situation that makes me uneasy.
I don't think so. And even if that was the case it would not matter to me. Evil is evil regardless of the forces that brought it into existence.
In opposing Radical Islam I don't worry too much about whether the root of the problem was the fall of Cordoba 700 years ago or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I'm not too interested in the excuses they use for their barbaric behavior.
To your analogy.
I think US actions further embolden and recruit more islamicist... so I think it's important to understand what brings out the worst actors.