The War on Police Continues

Only anecdotal evidence. I've seen several offenses where the police weren't called because the issue would be over before the police arrived. In a heavily patrolled area, those crimes may have been reported, or a patrolling officer may have seen it themselves.

For the record, I am generally in strong support of the police. I just don't like that this thread was starting to make it sound like black people are bad, or more likely to be bad. I have had way too much experience that is counter to that. Poor people are more likely to bad things. Desperate people are more likely to bad things. Drug addicts are more likely to do bad things. Kids from broken homes are more likely to be bad.

I would much rather the conversation be framed in those terms than by casting the actions of some on an entire skin color.

Problem is that both parties ignores blacks "issues". One want to exploit while the other tries to make it harder for them to be accepted in society as an equal.

It has been this way forever.

Until those two stigmas go away, we will be the most violent sect of society in America. Is there a way to fix it? Not in this generation but the current president does nothing had done nothing but could have at least initiated a spark and the black leaders can't do anything without him, so we are just spinning our wheels anjd still talking about it today. What is troubling, we have gotten worse not better since he has been in office, crime, education, income? Not better at all.
 
For the record, I am generally in strong support of the police. I just don't like that this thread was starting to make it sound like black people are bad, or more likely to be bad. I have had way too much experience that is counter to that. Poor people are more likely to bad things. Desperate people are more likely to bad things. Drug addicts are more likely to do bad things. Kids from broken homes are more likely to be bad.

I would much rather the conversation be framed in those terms than by casting the actions of some on an entire skin color.

I would love to do away with identity and tribal politics. My arguments are a response to the black lives matter arguments, which I think are mostly anecdotal and overall unhelpful. But I agree that the real issue revolves around broken homes and issues like that and not skin color. There is a victim culture that needs fixing.
 
I guess black lives matters not to the president.

This is how I view the president and his policies towards blacks.....dead on.

And this is what troubles the Black leaders the most: But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups.

Sav, not only stats but you have leaders that disagree with the assessment we were better under Obama. It is written on the wall. He failed in the most important areas and actually we were worse off. After hearing it from family members and others finally there are a lot of articles pointing to this. I found this one because it is from a black person, not a faux news site that tells the truth. Stats will back up the other things you've seemed to miss.
 
I guess black lives matters not to the president.

This is how I view the president and his policies towards blacks.....dead on.

And this is what troubles the Black leaders the most: But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups.

Sav, not only stats but you have leaders that disagree with the assessment we were better under Obama. It is written on the wall. He failed in the most important areas and actually we were worse off. After hearing it from family members and others finally there are a lot of articles pointing to this. I found this one because it is from a black person, not a faux news site that tells the truth. Stats will back up the other things you've seemed to miss.

Did this really surprise you?
 
Who are these leaders?

Illinois Black Caucus, the ones that challenged him on the Same Sex Marriage, one my pastor growing up is part of. He is part of the "establishment" Illinois blacks. The most frustrating thing to them is the black on black crime has gotten out of hand on top of educational gap widening, lack of jobs, lack of initiative, lack of a lot of things. Some of it is our own fault because we were giving everything just to survive and rely on it as a crutch.

Stats don't lie. Look them up yourself from INDEPENDENT sites.

A lot of articles pointing to this from other blacks journalist/columnists and some Left wing sites. I do not go to Right Wing sites for facts but willing to go to Left Wing sites when they actually tell the real truth and not hand-spun garbage to make their party look good.

Trump promise to do something and be more assertive than Obama. If he does, which I don't have faith in, do what he say he will do, that legacy Obama trying obtain will go down the crapper faster than Toma s*itting in a toilet with his posts.
 
Oh and the article mentioned it as well about Black Leaders. There are many more articles that says the same things that they are not happy about how much he has ignored our "race" but laps up all the other minority/gender policies in lieu of us, the ones that voted for him at a 97% rate.
 
I guess black lives matters not to the president.

This is how I view the president and his policies towards blacks.....dead on.

And this is what troubles the Black leaders the most: But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups.

Sav, not only stats but you have leaders that disagree with the assessment we were better under Obama. It is written on the wall. He failed in the most important areas and actually we were worse off. After hearing it from family members and others finally there are a lot of articles pointing to this. I found this one because it is from a black person, not a faux news site that tells the truth. Stats will back up the other things you've seemed to miss.

The first stat on the link provided had to do with jobless "the black"
Let's first address that:
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NYT September 12, 2011

WASHINGTON—President Obama sent his jobs bill to Congress on Monday, urging lawmakers to put aside “political games” and pass the $447 billion plan meant to increase hiring as the government struggles to curtail persistent high unemployment.

But just two hours after Mr. Obama, flanked by firefighters, construction workers and teachers in the Rose Garden, waved a copy of the jobs plan and issued his call for bipartisanship, Republicans took aim at the White House plan to pay for the jobs initiative through tax increases on more affluent Americans, most of them tax increases previously rejected by lawmakers.

White House officials said they nonetheless believed the proposal could pass Congress. The White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said administration officials had seen “some conciliatory messaging from some members of Congress” since lawmakers returned from their summer recess after presumably getting an earful from voters fed up with the political brinkmanship that characterized the negotiations over the debt ceiling.

“We have some indication that the message of the American people is being heard by members of Congress,” Mr. Carney said.

Congressional Republicans were not, however, sounding that conciliatory; they promptly fired off e-mails to let their displeasure with the idea of tax increases be known. “Beware the Tax Man,” was the subject line in an e-mail from one House Republican staff member. Brendan Buck, spokesman for Speaker John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, added his own quick reaction, criticizing the proposal as one that “doesn’t appear to have been offered in that bipartisan spirit.”

In a news briefing with reporters on Monday, Representative Eric Cantor, the Virginia Republican and House majority leader, took pains to say that he was open to the president’s legislative proposals. But he made clear that if they are paid for primarily through tax increases, Republicans would not be going along.

“I sure hope that the president is not suggesting that we pay for his proposals with a massive tax increase at the end of 2012 on job creators,” Mr. Cantor said.

If Mr. Obama’s bill resembled the 2009 stimulus plan, he said, “I don’t believe that our members are going to be interested in pursuing that; I certainly am not.”

The White House budget director, Jack Lew, said the bulk of the plan — some $400 billion — would be paid for by limiting itemized deductions for charitable contributions and other deductions claimed by individuals making more than $200,000 a year and families making at least $250,000 annually. Another $40 billion would come from closing loopholes for oil and gas companies and $3 billion would come from additional taxes on corporate jets. Fund managers would pay $18 billion in higher taxes on certain income.

Mr. Lew said the new Congressional committee charged with finding $1.2 trillion in savings this year as part of the agreement to raise the debt ceiling would have the option of accepting the payment proposals submitted by Mr. Obama, or proposing new ones of their own.

The American Jobs Act, which the president unveiled Thursday, would cut some taxes through an extension and expansion of the current reduction in payroll taxes, worth $240 billion. Smaller businesses would also get a cut in their share of payroll taxes, as well as a tax holiday for hiring new workers. The plan also provides $140 billion for modernizing schools and repairing roads and bridges — spending that Mr. Obama says is critical to maintaining economic competitiveness.

The administration has pointed to forecasts from economists that the mix of tax cuts and new spending would spur growth and appreciably reduce the jobless rate. Mr. Carney on Monday declined to forecast the actual number of additional jobs that the White House anticipates could come if Congress enacts the jobs bill.

“On Thursday, I told Congress that I’ll be sending them a bill called the American Jobs Act,” Mr. Obama said during Rose Garden remarks on Monday morning, holding up the proposal. “Well, here it is.” He said that American voters could not afford to wait 14 months until the next election for lawmakers to act.

He sounded what is clearly going to be a central theme for this fall, as he strikes out into the country to sell his jobs proposal to Americans (he is going to Mr. Boehner’s home state, Ohio, on Tuesday in a visit to Columbus, and to Raleigh, N.C., on Wednesday): “Let’s pass this bill,” Mr. Obama said several times during his remarks.

But while the president’s new mantra is “pass this bill now,” the legislation’s fate seems more along the lines of, pass some of this bill at some point, maybe.

Democrats in the Senate plan to try to move ahead with Mr. Obama’s bill, once its costs have been evaluated by the Congressional Budget Office, sometime over the course of the coming weeks. It is far from clear the bill can pass that chamber even with the Senate under Democratic control. A combination of Republicans put off by tax increases and Democrats who are in tough re-election battles could leave the measure short of the 60 votes needed to clear procedural obstacles.

Republicans will almost certainly not bring the White House bill to the floor of the House, where its chances for approval are even more remote. In fact, Mr. Cantor even found fault with Mr. Obama’s new mantra. “To say ‘pass my bill’ 17 times is not the tone nor is it a way forward for us that will be acceptable to the American people,” he said. And Mr. Boehner promised Monday that the proposal would receive vigorous Republican review.

Turning complaints Democrats have made all year about Republican unwillingness to compromise back on the White House, Congressional Republicans are now saying that Mr. Obama is being too inflexible, and that they will instead pick off pieces of the legislation to wind through their committees and come to possible separate votes. Those elements of his plan that could pass muster include the extension of a payroll tax holiday for employees and small businesses as well as an extension of unemployment benefits
 
Yes, I can see where Black unemployment rose 2 %.
There are not the jobs in urban America there were 35-50 years ago.
For a multitude of reasons

We could go back and forth on the merits of the above legislation proposed but blaming Obama and laying Black unemployment at his feet denies the history . And is a recreation of the narrative to fit a false agenda.

Like another poster points out, there are facts and things that happened and a record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jobs_Act

Granted there is plenty of political blame to go around but saying Obama has done nothing to improve the plight of Black Americans is just not true

Reading the article further I see where poverty, the Wealth Gap, Income Equality, Education and Small Busines loans are brought up.
" But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups. "

Really ?
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Let me say one more thing, I have always thought Obama's toughest opponent was peoples expectations of Obama
That doesn't seem the be an issue with his successor
 
When you look at black unemployment don't forget to add all the prisoners. Throwing **** loads of black people in prison makes their unemployment stats lower, it's the Clintons strategy. They boast of low black unemployment but when you add all the black "super predators" they brought to "heel" by throwing them in prison they actually had sky high unemployment. Unless you consider slavery be a job.
 
Another one...Smh:

MOUNT VERNON, Wash. – A Mount Vernon police officer was shot Thursday evening.

One male officer was shot in the back of the head and taken to Harborview Medical Center. He underwent surgery, is stable, and is in serious condition.

Police said the suspect is "a violent offender and well known to law enforcement." He has been firing shots at a SWAT vehicle outside the home throughout the evening.
 
These same officers would high 5 each other and go home thinking they did a great job if they through a flashbang through my window in the middle of the night and threatened to kill me so they can throw me in a cage because I smoke pot. They would consider my pain and misery from being arrested by them as a good thing. You can think in crazy but to me it's crazy to support the well being of those who seek to deny my freedom. These people want to make a slave out of me and I am supposed to root for them? **** that.

To be fair, you are making the choice to break the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. The police vowed to enforce the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. Don't act like the Gestapo is going to drag you from your house in the dark of night for unknown reasons. You know the possible consequences of your actions, you choose to continue those actions. Taking responsibility for your own actions is part of being an adult. Buck up.
 
To be fair, you are making the choice to break the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. The police vowed to enforce the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. Don't act like the Gestapo is going to drag you from your house in the dark of night for unknown reasons. You know the possible consequences of your actions, you choose to continue those actions. Taking responsibility for your own actions is part of being an adult. Buck up.

you can just as easily say it's the other persons responsibility to not enforce unjust laws

and i will take it a step further:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
 
you can just as easily say it's the other persons responsibility to not enforce unjust laws

and i will take it a step further:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

I agree that we need less laws in this country.
 
64 cops shot and killed, they've shot and killed 914 civilians. THey're kicking some serious ass in this war.

Not if you go by percentages. And especially not if you continue to dig into this incredibly shallow statistical argument you made by not considering multiple factors. I mean, how many truly innocent people are shot by cops every year? I bet the number is around ten.

I'm guessing you're one of those who loves the new wave feminist argument that women make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men.
 
Not if you go by percentages. And especially not if you continue to dig into this incredibly shallow statistical argument you made by not considering multiple factors. I mean, how many truly innocent people are shot by cops every year? I bet the number is around ten.

I'm guessing you're one of those who loves the new wave feminist argument that women make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men.

1 innocent person shot by cops is too much.

Don't get me wrong. COps don't deserve to die either. But they're way too gun happy. Not to mention the convoluted nature of laws today, anyone can be breaking the law and make one wrong move and get shot.
 
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