There’s a Fckn Game Today, People

Enscheff said:
So to recap....

Snit left Smyly in too long in an effort to preserve the BP.

He then proceeds to use Smith with a 4 run lead.

It is beyond obvious he has no clue about leverage, times through the order, or anything else related to modern pitching staff management.

At least the Braves won despite Snit’s ineptitude.
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I realize that I have been unduly harsh on Smyly (and on Anthopoulos for signing him in the first place), but the question really boils down to how long can you keep Smyly in at all? Is he an opener? He so rarely has a clean inning which rapidly elevates his pitch count. He's a Brave and he's going to have to play a role, but I honestly don't know what that is at this point.
 
50PoundHead said:
I realize that I have been unduly harsh on Smyly (and on Anthopoulos for signing him in the first place), but the question really boils down to how long can you keep Smyly in at all? Is he an opener? He so rarely has a clean inning which rapidly elevates his pitch count. He's a Brave and he's going to have to play a role, but I honestly don't know what that is at this point.
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Tonight seems like a big opportunity for Davidson to potentially take that spot
 
50PoundHead said:
I realize that I have been unduly harsh on Smyly (and on Anthopoulos for signing him in the first place), but the question really boils down to how long can you keep Smyly in at all? Is he an opener? He so rarely has a clean inning which rapidly elevates his pitch count. He's a Brave and he's going to have to play a role, but I honestly don't know what that is at this point.
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Two times through the order max which usually equals about 4 innings or so.

To possibly extend that you can employ an opener when he's facing a team like the Nats who have horrible 2nd half of the lineup hitters. By the time he's getting to the third time through the lineup (for him) it's going to be against someone like Bell instead of staring down Turner, Soto, and Zimmerman.

It's not perfect but little things like that do add up over the course of a game and a season.
 
Enscheff said:
So to recap....

Snit left Smyly in too long in an effort to preserve the BP.

He then proceeds to use Smith with a 4 run lead.

It is beyond obvious he has no clue about leverage, times through the order, or anything else related to modern pitching staff management.

At least the Braves won despite Snit’s ineptitude.
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I think it's worse than that. I think Snit just wants to keep the starter in for 5 innings to get the win if he's ahead.

He then has ahead relievers and behind relievers.

It's awful.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think it's worse than that. I think Snit just wants to keep the starter in for 5 innings to get the win if he's ahead.

He then has ahead relievers and behind relievers.

It's awful.
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I can live with letting smyly face a lineup a 3rd time if it doesn't cost us a PH opportunity, and if snit has the pen ready going into the inning. Snit keeps throwing away PH opportunities, and then doesn't have the pen ready
 
thewupk said:
Two times through the order max which usually equals about 4 innings or so.

To possibly extend that you can employ an opener when he's facing a team like the Nats who have horrible 2nd half of the lineup hitters. By the time he's getting to the third time through the lineup (for him) it's going to be against someone like Bell instead of staring down Turner, Soto, and Zimmerman.

It's not perfect but little things like that do add up over the course of a game and a season.
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Maybe a better use of Wilson and Davidson would be piggy backing starters since we struggle to go very deep in games. This instead of spot starting them
 
msstate7 said:
I can live with letting smyly face a lineup a 3rd time if it doesn't cost us a PH opportunity, and if snit has the pen ready going into the inning. Snit keeps throwing away PH opportunities, and then doesn't have the pen ready
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I just want him to manage to the game and series and principles.

I honestly think he's managing to the pitcher win rule and the save rule. And that is what horrifies me.
 
msstate7 said:
Maybe a better use of Wilson and Davidson would be piggy backing starters since we struggle to go very deep in games. This instead of spot starting them
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We have a ton of those guys. Wilson, Davidson, Wright, Newcombe, Touki, likely Muller.....

AA has been the GM for 3 years now. We've had major pitching issues for 2 years now. There has been ZERO suggesting they are even thinking about this. My only small hope is that if we get a full year to plan for the DH, then AA feels comfortable with more pitchers who are not RPs.
 
Riley's going to mess around and make the all star game isn't he? I expect his numbers to decline a bit, but maybe not till after all star selections.
 
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