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It feels kind of simple to me. Wisler just isn't good. I don't really think he's working on anything or something similar that could give us some hope -- that wouldn't make sense when he's competing for a job, even though we all know that competition is a farce. He's just not a very good pitcher.

And yet, he was the key return for one of the best closers in baseball. That's enough to make me nauseous.
 
CJ9 said:
It feels kind of simple to me. Wisler just isn't good. I don't really think he's working on anything or something similar that could give us some hope -- that wouldn't make sense when he's competing for a job, even though we all know that competition is a farce. He's just not a very good pitcher.

And yet, he was the key return for one of the best closers in baseball. That's enough to make me nauseous.
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But yet we get criticized for suggesting Coppy has been a mediocre GM
 
I didn't see game but saw the homer he gave up. Slider inside that just spun. If he is working on hanging sliders then that was a perfect pitch. But I digress and still think he has talent to make it.
 
CJ9 said:
It feels kind of simple to me. Wisler just isn't good. I don't really think he's working on anything or something similar that could give us some hope -- that wouldn't make sense when he's competing for a job, even though we all know that competition is a farce. He's just not a very good pitcher.

And yet, he was the key return for one of the best closers in baseball. That's enough to make me nauseous.
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Not all prospects work out... even the can't miss ones. Wisler was the number 1 prospect in the SD system and was a top 50 prospect when he came over. Not to mention he was absolutely dominant for about his first 5-7 starts last year. He's got fairly good raw stuff and decent velocity. I agree that it's not looking great for him in his development curve at this stage but don't act like everyone should have seen how bad he would end up when he was a legit top prospect when we got him.

I think his time is short with us because all the talent coming up but he could still easily be an average or better MLB SP.
 
CJ9 said:
When was Wisler dominant?
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First 7 starts of 2015 he was 5-1 with a 3.43 ERA. Some people might call that dominant. Of course he had a 4+ FIP during that span and most people expected his ERA to go up and it eventually did. He's never really pitched well at the MLB level for an extended period of time.
 
thewupk said:
First 7 starts of 2015 he was 5-1 with a 3.43 ERA. Some people might call that dominant. Of course he had a 4+ FIP during that span and most people expected his ERA to go up and it eventually did. He's never really pitched well at the MLB level for an extended period of time.
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I remember that stretch. It featured a very low BABIP.

He has some things he needs to figure out at the major league level. But I like his repetoire. I like his track record in the minors. I'm ok with him starting 2017 in AAA, but would like to see him given more opportunities with the major league team. Unless someone like Newcomb or Sims surpasses him this year in AAA. Whoever of those 3 is doing best in AAA should be brought up when an opening arises at the major league level. Chances are there will be openings. Openings. Plural.
 
Pitcher A: 24 years, 177 days
15-21, 265.2 IP, 4.88 ERA, 4.88 FIP, 1.38 WHIP, 2.10 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9

Pitcher B: 25 years, 152 days
13-12, 228.2 IP, 4.92 ERA, 4.60 FIP, 1.45 WHIP, 2.85 K/BB, 1.5 HR/9

Let me get this straight - I'm nuts for suggesting that one of these guys needs to take a big step forward this season, yet the thought is that the other one needs to be cut?

Pitcher A is Wisler and Pitcher B is Folty. Not sure what either has shown to demonstrate that he's better than the other thus far.
 
clvclv said:
Pitcher A: 24 years, 177 days

15-21, 265.2 IP, 4.88 ERA, 4.88 FIP, 1.38 WHIP, 2.10 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9

Pitcher B: 25 years, 152 days

13-12, 228.2 IP, 4.92 ERA, 4.60 FIP, 1.45 WHIP, 2.85 K/BB, 1.5 HR/9

Let me get this straight - I'm nuts for suggesting that one of these guys needs to take a big step forward this season, yet the thought is that the other one needs to be cut?

Pitcher A is Wisler and Pitcher B is Folty. Not sure what either has shown to demonstrate that he's better than the other thus far.
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Because when breaking it down over two years Folty has shown improvement while Wisler has not.
 
clvclv said:
Pitcher A: 24 years, 177 days
15-21, 265.2 IP, 4.88 ERA, 4.88 FIP, 1.38 WHIP, 2.10 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9

Pitcher B: 25 years, 152 days
13-12, 228.2 IP, 4.92 ERA, 4.60 FIP, 1.45 WHIP, 2.85 K/BB, 1.5 HR/9

Let me get this straight - I'm nuts for suggesting that one of these guys needs to take a big step forward this season, yet the thought is that the other one needs to be cut?

Pitcher A is Wisler and Pitcher B is Folty. Not sure what either has shown to demonstrate that he's better than the other thus far.
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You really don't see the difference between a guy with a 2.1 K/BB and a guy with a 2.85 K/BB? That 35% difference is meaningless in your mind?

Wisler has a career K/9 (K% should be used, but this will serve here) of 6.3, Folty's is 8.0. You can't comprehend how much better that makes Folty?

Since you think those two guys are similar pitchers in any way, it makes sense you don't understand why Folty is held in such high regard compared to Wisler.
 
Enscheff said:
You really don't see the difference between a guy with a 2.1 K/BB and a guy with a 2.85 K/BB? That 35% difference is meaningless in your mind?

Wisler has a career K/9 (K% should be used, but this will serve here) of 6.3, Folty's is 8.0. You can't comprehend how much better that makes Folty?

Since you think those two guys are similar pitchers in any way, it makes sense you don't understand why Folty is held in such high regard compared to Wisler.
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Agreed. Folty has TOR potential...Wisler...#3 tops. Maybe Folty can get his emotions under control, but that appears to be a big "if". I worry he's one of those guys, that the Braves trade down the road and he puts it together late (29-31 age).
 
CJ9 said:
It feels kind of simple to me. Wisler just isn't good. I don't really think he's working on anything or something similar that could give us some hope -- that wouldn't make sense when he's competing for a job, even though we all know that competition is a farce. He's just not a very good pitcher.

And yet, he was the key return for one of the best closers in baseball. That's enough to make me nauseous.
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What makes it worse is that SD then turned around and flipped Kimbrel for Margot, who is currently a Top 25 prospect OFer that should be ready to contribute this year.

But yeah, Coppy is a genius, so it's all good.
 
anyone see a line up card. Wondering if Newk will get another shot today?

I watched some of his last performance and it seems like he misses up WAY too much. Up and out over plate at that.
 
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