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nsacpi
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I think it is just as morally repugnant to use Laken Riley's murder to demonize immigrants.
And to be clear also morally repugnant to use the murders of the legislators in Minnesota to demonize white people, Christians, conservatives, etc.
How hard can this be. Individuals do awful thangs. The demographic groups they belong to have nothing to do with the awful acts committed by individuals.
But we see a lot of this on these boards. Some Muslim or dark-skinned person or immigrant does something awful. And it is weaponized. And the same posters who do this are the ones objecting to some rando on the internet doing the exact same thang to white people.
Meanwhile we have a President and Vice President who campaigned on demonizing and dehumanizing certain groups. And a country that elected them. How about that.
And to be clear also morally repugnant to use the murders of the legislators in Minnesota to demonize white people, Christians, conservatives, etc.
How hard can this be. Individuals do awful thangs. The demographic groups they belong to have nothing to do with the awful acts committed by individuals.
But we see a lot of this on these boards. Some Muslim or dark-skinned person or immigrant does something awful. And it is weaponized. And the same posters who do this are the ones objecting to some rando on the internet doing the exact same thang to white people.
Meanwhile we have a President and Vice President who campaigned on demonizing and dehumanizing certain groups. And a country that elected them. How about that.
sturg33
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Indeed. And corporate CEOs in Europe will never recover from the brand you tarnished
As I've explained... if we want to reduce crime and welfare, it's not difficult to see which parts of the world we should exclude... even of that means excluding a baller or two
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The debate thread is a fabulous retrospective. It shows where the emotional investment lay. And yeah I guess I am moving the goal posts. I see a lot of objecting to the cats and dogs stuff on tactical grounds (from other posters not you to be clear). "Laken Riley is much stronger emotionally."
I guess if I want to morally justify demonizing white people, next time I will denounce it with the observation that "Timothy McVeigh is much stronger emotionally."
nsacpi
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awful...it would be more effective to go with Timothy McVeigh as an emblem of white people being the devil....there that should cover me
sturg33
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a thought experiment
What if we decided to let in 100 Hatian migrants from a very specific region in the area.
In the first week they were here.
50 murdered at least one person
80 raped at least one person
40 ate at least one family's pet
99 did at least one of the above
1 is peacefully assimilating
Next week, the government says we should now let in 100 more from the same region
Would it be reasonable for American citizens to object?Why or why not?
What if we decided to let in 100 Hatian migrants from a very specific region in the area.
In the first week they were here.
50 murdered at least one person
80 raped at least one person
40 ate at least one family's pet
99 did at least one of the above
1 is peacefully assimilating
Next week, the government says we should now let in 100 more from the same region
Would it be reasonable for American citizens to object?Why or why not?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The unfortunate thang with your hypothetical is it bears zero resemblance to any actual for real situation. But I know y'all thirsty to demonize and dehumanize your favorite bogeyman group. Carry on.
Meanwhile actual for real Haitians will continue to work hard and contribute to society in places like Springfield. Like other immigrant groups they will trigger some resentments when their children win academic scholarships and other marks of distinction.
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If 80 out of 100 people in a group committed a sexual assault in a week with at least 30 of those involving a murder, I don’t think I much care if 19 of the 20 others ate a pet, to be honest.
Why stop there? If we let in 100 migrants and every one of them did a 9/11 by themselves, should we keep going or let every tall building be hit with a plane within a month?
sturg33
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Do you care to answer the hypotehtical?
nsacpi
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yes. my answer to your hypothetical is to treat people as individuals not groups...to assess them by their actions not by the categories they may get pidgeon-holed into...i would think an actual for real conservative and libertarian would be fully on board with that....apparently not...and that's not surprising cuz you are 100% a fraud
chop2chip
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Quoting aces out of context
Thethe was speaking to why Vance and Trump had to go with the cats/dogs schtick because they needed a way to connect ordinary Americans on the consequences of mass migration. Aces response to that was why make up fake stories when they could appeal to the Laken Riley example which was a national story.
All this to say, Biden/Harris lost primarily due to their border policies. I think many Democrat leadership has acknowledged they were to soft on migration. The constant appeal to labeling those who support strong borders as racist is tiresome.
nsacpi
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Aces did not say "Laken Riley is more factually accurate."
He said "Laken Riley is much stronger emotionally."
Anyhow he can speak up for himself or not.
I'm sorry if y'all find it disturbing that I point out that the objection to the lies about Haitians eating people's pets was mostly on grounds of effectiveness. Other than you objecting to the idea of dehumanizing people. Aces and others are lucky to have you as a friend.
He said "Laken Riley is much stronger emotionally."
Anyhow he can speak up for himself or not.
I'm sorry if y'all find it disturbing that I point out that the objection to the lies about Haitians eating people's pets was mostly on grounds of effectiveness. Other than you objecting to the idea of dehumanizing people. Aces and others are lucky to have you as a friend.
sturg33
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confirming, your answer to my hypothetical is that Americans who would object to the next 100 are racists, and you would want the next 100 brought in.
correct?
nsacpi
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Sorry you find it tiresome. We as a country elected as our president and vice president two men who tried to convince voters that dark-skinned immigrants were eating their dogs and cats. It is what it is.
nsacpi
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I'm against use of categories such as religion, ethnicity, race as screens for who is considered eligible for immigration to this country. But of course we should screen for behavior such as criminal activity. And screening for political viewpoint based on social media activity is also a bad idea. That's McCarthyism to coin a phrase.
Yes, Sturg, if 80+% of a population is a rapist or murderer, I might caution against bringing in more of that population. Lemme know when you find such a population and I’ll help you oppose their migration.
chop2chip
Well-known member
Indeed. I’ll wait for evidence that aces thinks Haitians are sub human before implying he does without any ground to stand on