Trade Deadline/Rumors thread

Regarding Markakis and the Angels, I think this is just beat writer speculation. I've copied the tweets from a few days ago below. The Angels figure to be very limited when it comes to adding salary this year and beyond, so it seems like an unlikely match. A boy can dream though.

Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez Jul 17
One name to keep in mind in #Angels' pursuit of offense: Nick Markakis. 0 HRs, but 293/381/353 slash line with #Braves. Owed $31.5M 2016-18.

Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez Jul 17
#Angels will take offense where it comes at this point, but would prefer (1) someone controlled beyond this year and (2) a LHH corner OF.

Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez Jul 17
Markakis fills both.
 
I keep reading that teams are not wanting to take in much salary in proposed deals.... Is the bubble about to pop ?
 
I was supportive of the Markakis move at first, but for a corner outfield starter... he's not worth it dude. How do you know this will be his lowest power output for the next 4 years? There is absolutely zero evidence to support that after neck surgery. He is getting paid much more than he's worth and I don't even know how you can argue that with a straight face.

1 WAR on the free agent market right now costs about $7 million. Markakis has been worth 1.4 WAR so far this year and is on pace to be worth over 2 by the end of the year. Based on those numbers, he's almost been worth his salary so far this year and should easily be worth it by the end of the year. He probably will tail off some by the end of the 4 years, but at the same time, we don't really know how much the surgery and lack of preparation this year affected and it's possibly he does get some more of his power back that offsets that loss.

The value of 1 WAR should also, though, increase over the next 3 years. By the end of his contract, 1 WAR could be going for almost $10 million on the FA market, which would mean he would just have to be worth a little over 1 WAR to be worth the money. My guess is that he will be.

So yes, I can certainly argue that he is worth the money this year with a straight face, and while we don't know how he will fare over the next 3, I don't see how you can predict with certainty that a guy who has been worth 2+ WAR each of the last 2 years will suddenly drop off to where $11 million is a horrible contract.
 
Seems like quite a few teams looking for pitching even though there is a glut of it....

There is always going to be a need for pitching. Hart was correct in his assessment on the number one need for the organization. I hope we continue to amass a ridiculous amount of pitching.
 
Even Bryce Harper said that he credits his massive power increase to the fact that he was actually able to have a healthy offseason and work out. Markakis couldn't do any of that. This is not a guy who is going to hit 5 homers a year moving forward. I expect him to be in the 12-17 range with 35+ doubles. When he gets moved to LF then we can improve RF defense.

I don't even see him getting to 5 this year... he's not worth the money for his production right now, sorry... and it is far from a given any power ever comes back at his age.
 
1 WAR on the free agent market right now costs about $7 million. Markakis has been worth 1.4 WAR so far this year and is on pace to be worth over 2 by the end of the year. Based on those numbers, he's almost been worth his salary so far this year and should easily be worth it by the end of the year. He probably will tail off some by the end of the 4 years, but at the same time, we don't really know how much the surgery and lack of preparation this year affected and it's possibly he does get some more of his power back that offsets that loss.

The value of 1 WAR should also, though, increase over the next 3 years. By the end of his contract, 1 WAR could be going for almost $10 million on the FA market, which would mean he would just have to be worth a little over 1 WAR to be worth the money. My guess is that he will be.

So yes, I can certainly argue that he is worth the money this year with a straight face, and while we don't know how he will fare over the next 3, I don't see how you can predict with certainty that a guy who has been worth 2+ WAR each of the last 2 years will suddenly drop off to where $11 million is a horrible contract.

I'm not talking about this year... I'm talking about later in the contract. He will not be worth it based on simple aging.
 
I'm not talking about this year... I'm talking about later in the contract. He will not be worth it based on simple aging.

My apologies. I mistook your use of the present tense verb 'is' as discussion of the present and Markakis' present value.

Also, I assumed that since you believe it is laughable to suggest Markakis is worth his contract, we weren't talking in hypotheticals and predictions and that you clearly believe Markakis is already being overpaid.

I am sorry.

ETA: But you still didn't address my whole post, in which I said that since Markakis is actually being slightly underpaid right now relative to the average free agent, it is certainly not laughable to suggest that over the next 3 years, he will probably, at worst, only become slightly overpaid.
 
Even Bryce Harper said that he credits his massive power increase to the fact that he was actually able to have a healthy offseason and work out. Markakis couldn't do any of that. This is not a guy who is going to hit 5 homers a year moving forward. I expect him to be in the 12-17 range with 35+ doubles. When he gets moved to LF then we can improve RF defense.

So, better power output than he's had in 5 years? How do you figure that, exactly?
 
I'm not talking about this year... I'm talking about later in the contract. He will not be worth it based on simple aging.

Though the value of the money we're on the hook for will also go down. Think of the kind of player you could get for $15 million five years ago and compare that with today. Yes Markakis will probably be somewhat overpaid by the end of the contract but it's not horrible. It's about what you expect from free agent contracts this day in age.
 
Though the value of the money we're on the hook for will also go down. Think of the kind of player you could get for $15 million five years ago and compare that with today. Yes Markakis will probably be somewhat overpaid by the end of the contract but it's not horrible. It's about what you expect from free agent contracts this day in age.

Well, if the return is suitable, I'd rather get rid of a "not horrible" contract to open up space for a real difference maker at a corner spot if the opportunity comes along.
 
My apologies. I mistook your use of the present tense verb 'is' as discussion of the present and Markakis' present value.

Also, I assumed that since you believe it is laughable to suggest Markakis is worth his contract, we weren't talking in hypotheticals and predictions and that you clearly believe Markakis is already being overpaid.

I am sorry.

ETA: But you still didn't address my whole post, in which I said that since Markakis is actually being slightly underpaid right now relative to the average free agent, it is certainly not laughable to suggest that over the next 3 years, he will probably, at worst, only become slightly overpaid.

My big beef is that the corner outfield spot is supposed to be a power/production spot. I would have no problem with Markakis if he was a 2B/SS/CF or even a 3B piece. But we need production and we need a place open to get that production in there. I hate to think that we have a traditional power spot tied down for 4 years by someone with no power when we have zero power elsewhere as well.
 
Well, if the return is suitable, I'd rather get rid of a "not horrible" contract to open up space for a real difference maker at a corner spot if the opportunity comes along.

That's a valid position.I would probably agree with that if, as you say, the return is suitable. Markakis is not a cornerstone for the future.
 
AJ Preller might get canned real quick.

I think ownership out there must feel like they gave the keys to their Porsche to their 16 year old.

He brings it home all smashed up but real apologetic, saying, "Don't worry, dad, I can fix it." Then he whips out a rubber mallet and starts banging on sheet metal.

At that point the dad, as mad at himself for his poor judgement as he is with the kid, holds out his hand for the keys and says, "That's all right, son. Let me take it to a professional who knows what they're doing."

This dude was playing fantasy league baseball. We got Peterson, Smith, Maybin, , and Wisler, and we weren't even his worst trade. That would be Kemp for Grandal. He whizzed away another stud in the Myers deal. Alonzo was probably ready to walk the plank, but he couldn't get anybody to bite. Otherwise he'd have had to play Myers in CF and at 1B while on the DL.

What a cluster. He set them back five years.
 
As far as the list of problems with the current roster goes, Nick Markakis is pretty close to the bottom. He would slot very nicely into the 1-2 spots of the lineup if the team had another impact hitter or two that could hit behind him.

I sincerely hope the Braves focus their energy on long term fixes for LF, C, 3B and the BP before they even give RF a second thought.
 
Markakis should be more of a trade focus next year, but if someone comes in and offers a good return, I hope we unload him.
 
As far as the list of problems with the current roster goes, Nick Markakis is pretty close to the bottom. He would slot very nicely into the 1-2 spots of the lineup if the team had another impact hitter or two that could hit behind him.

I sincerely hope the Braves focus their energy on long term fixes for LF, C, 3B and the BP before they even give RF a second thought.

Yeah, this is right.
 
My big beef is that the corner outfield spot is supposed to be a power/production spot. I would have no problem with Markakis if he was a 2B/SS/CF or even a 3B piece. But we need production and we need a place open to get that production in there. I hate to think that we have a traditional power spot tied down for 4 years by someone with no power when we have zero power elsewhere as well.

I get this, but regardless of what specifically he brings to the table, I'll take wins any way I can get them, and he's been worth 1.4 WAR in RF this year. That's fine with me. The overall lack of power is a bit of a concern, but we have to be realistic in what we can bring in. I would be shocked if we went out and signed Heyward, Upton, or Cespedes whether we're paying Markakis or not. And even if you signed Cespedes, you're going to have to absolutely shell out in both years and money, and you're getting, at the beginning of the contract, a 30-year-old who already routinely posts an OBP near or even under .300. I'd rather have Markakis for the next 3 than Cespedes for 6 or 7.

And after those guys, there's not much. Gordon may exercise his player option, and he'll be 32.

We know 1B, SS, and 2B are filled for next year. Throw Markakis in, and you also have either a LF or RF. So here's what I would go after at the rest:
CF - bring back Maybin unless you get either a serious prospect or a guy who can start for you at 3B or C, also waiting on Mallex
Corner OF - see if you can sign someone to a sensible shorter deal, a la Chris Young, move Maybin over if Mallex is ready
3B - Peraza is an option, a guy like Freese or Uribe could possibly be signed to a shorter deal
C - Wieters or possibly Jaso on the FA market

Outside of those options, we're probably going to have to trade for an answer. I just don't see us breaking the bank in free agency when there aren't more than a couple of good options out there anywhere. I wouldn't be opposed to going after Heyward, even though he's going to be extremely expensive. It would move Markakis to LF, give us another guy who can get on base and also has some pop, and help our OF defense quite a bit. It would also give you some flexibility to move Maybin.

But if you don't like the options presented above, then you're going to have to be willing to move some real prospects for answers. I just don't see how getting rid of Markakis really helps us. He's a decent piece for us right now and should be for at least another year or two moving forward, and the money we would free up by moving him wouldn't necessarily help us that much considering what is available.
 
Would you guys have any interest in bringing in Matt Kemp?

I wonder if his price tag would be high based on his salary commitment owed to the Padres. Maybe we can bend Preller over one last time.
 
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