Trade Deadline/Rumors thread

smootness said:
I get this, but regardless of what specifically he brings to the table, I'll take wins any way I can get them, and he's been worth 1.4 WAR in RF this year. That's fine with me. The overall lack of power is a bit of a concern, but we have to be realistic in what we can bring in. I would be shocked if we went out and signed Heyward, Upton, or Cespedes whether we're paying Markakis or not. And even if you signed Cespedes, you're going to have to absolutely shell out in both years and money, and you're getting, at the beginning of the contract, a 30-year-old who already routinely posts an OBP near or even under .300. I'd rather have Markakis for the next 3 than Cespedes for 6 or 7.

And after those guys, there's not much. Gordon may exercise his player option, and he'll be 32.

We know 1B, SS, and 2B are filled for next year. Throw Markakis in, and you also have either a LF or RF. So here's what I would go after at the rest:
CF - bring back Maybin unless you get either a serious prospect or a guy who can start for you at 3B or C, also waiting on Mallex
Corner OF - see if you can sign someone to a sensible shorter deal, a la Chris Young, move Maybin over if Mallex is ready
3B - Peraza is an option, a guy like Freese or Uribe could possibly be signed to a shorter deal
C - Wieters or possibly Jaso on the FA market

Outside of those options, we're probably going to have to trade for an answer. I just don't see us breaking the bank in free agency when there aren't more than a couple of good options out there anywhere. I wouldn't be opposed to going after Heyward, even though he's going to be extremely expensive. It would move Markakis to LF, give us another guy who can get on base and also has some pop, and help our OF defense quite a bit. It would also give you some flexibility to move Maybin.

But if you don't like the options presented above, then you're going to have to be willing to move some real prospects for answers. I just don't see how getting rid of Markakis really helps us. He's a decent piece for us right now and should be for at least another year or two moving forward, and the money we would free up by moving him wouldn't necessarily help us that much considering what is available.
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I'd love to bring Heyward back but you know some team is going to give him 25+ per year. Braves just can't do that. But, if the two want to get together and conceded on both sides (no reason Heyward has to or should do this) then I could see something getting done in the 20-22M range.
 
smootness said:
No. 0 interest.
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Any reason? Guy is absolutely scorching right now and was pretty damn good last year in the second half as well.

The contract would pay him until his age 34 year and it looks like the Pads are only on the hook for 13.5 per year. I think that is a potential boom/bust deal that could work out great for the Braves.
 
thethe said:
Any reason? Guy is absolutely scorching right now and was pretty damn good last year in the second half as well.

The contract would pay him until his age 34 year and it looks like the Pads are only on the hook for 13.5 per year. I think that is a potential boom/bust deal that could work out great for the Braves.
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As most good players do when they get here he's going to hit .240 with 11 hrs and 50rbi.
 
thethe said:
Any reason? Guy is absolutely scorching right now and was pretty damn good last year in the second half as well.

The contract would pay him until his age 34 year and it looks like the Pads are only on the hook for 13.5 per year. I think that is a potential boom/bust deal that could work out great for the Braves.
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Even if the money the Dodgers gave them is evenly distributed (and we don't know that it is), they're still going to pay him over $15 million per year. He's garbage defensively, and even after a scorching stretch, he's OPS'ing at .700. I see 0 appeal. Even best-case scenario, he'll be pretty significantly overpaid.
 
thethe said:
Would you guys have any interest in bringing in Matt Kemp?

I wonder if his price tag would be high based on his salary commitment owed to the Padres. Maybe we can bend Preller over one last time.
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Why is it that every time Kemp has a hot week his name comes up? Honest question.

I'd have to think long and hard about who I'd want less - Kemp or Hanley.
 
clvclv said:
Why is it that every time Kemp has a hot week his name comes up? Honest question.

I'd have to think long and hard about who I'd want less - Kemp or Hanley.
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His salary number isn't that high and he could be a big time impact bat. Also, the Padres are motivated to move him.
 
Kemp has been worth 1.7 WAR total over the last 3 years. His salary number is extremely high, and he's not an impact bat.
 
thethe said:
His salary number isn't that high and he could be a big time impact bat. Also, the Padres are motivated to move him.
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Even at $15 million per he's grossly overpaid...

$60 million for the "scorching hot" Kemp who's now up to .256/.301/.406/.706 vs. $33 million for the "overpaid" Markakis and his .292/.377/..368/.745???

I'd rather gamble $180-$200 million that Heyward produces more bang for the buck over 8 years than Kemp does over 4 (and I've always said I think it's nuts to pay Heyward that).
 
smootness said:
Kemp has been worth 1.7 WAR total over the last 3 years. His salary number is extremely high, and he's not an impact bat.
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Didn't someone mention earlier that 1 WAR is worth roughly $7 million now?

Markakis has been worth 3.4 WAR total over the same time period.
 
Braves are going to have to take a risk to get a potential middle of the order bat. There just aren't many options out there and Kemp could be a cheap option (in terms of pieces to acquire him). Guy was really good last year and is tracking strong after a slow start with a new team. There is probably a good chance Kemp ends slightly above 800OPS. He isn't exactly old either so he probably will be productive for the remainder of the deal. Even at a 105-115 wRC+ he would be a bargain at the money the Pads are committed to him.
 
thethe said:
Guy was really good last year and is tracking strong after a slow start with a new team. There is probably a good chance Kemp ends slightly above 800OPS. He isn't exactly old either so he probably will be productive for the remainder of the deal. Even at a 105-115 wRC+ he would be a bargain at the money the Pads are committed to him.
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Really good last year? He was worth 1.3 WAR, that's not really good. Kemp is very injury prone, on the wrong side of 30, and is one of the worst defensive OF in the majors. And on top of that this year he's not hitting and has a negative WAR. That's not merely taking a risk, that's dumping money into a hole and saying goodbye. If he was only signed through say 2017 rather than 2019 I could see taking a flyer on him if the price was right and money came our way (or they took CJ), but 4 years of a guy that could easily provide zero value for those years is too much of a risk.
 
thethe said:
Braves are going to have to take a risk to get a potential middle of the order bat. There just aren't many options out there and Kemp could be a cheap option (in terms of pieces to acquire him). Guy was really good last year and is tracking strong after a slow start with a new team. There is probably a good chance Kemp ends slightly above 800OPS. He isn't exactly old either so he probably will be productive for the remainder of the deal. Even at a 105-115 wRC+ he would be a bargain at the money the Pads are committed to him.
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Signing someone like Zobrist coming off an off-year for 2 years plus an option to play left is a better move imo.
 
thethe said:
Would you guys have any interest in bringing in Matt Kemp?

I wonder if his price tag would be high based on his salary commitment owed to the Padres. Maybe we can bend Preller over one last time.
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It is at that moment that AJ bends us back.

He made the deal despite his docs telling him Kemp had degenerative disease in his hips and Preller said, "I don't care, he was great three years ago."

On that basis, great dynasties like these Padres are built.
 
I see the Orioles are willing to trade Gausman and want to get rid of Norris. His stock is down, so maybe if we take Norris we can get Gausman on the cheap. His potential is tremendous and I feel like he would benefit from a change of scenery. For whatever reason, the Orioles asked him to move to the third base side of the rubber, causing him to throw across his body, and ditch his slider for a curve.
 
thethe said:
Braves are going to have to take a risk to get a potential middle of the order bat. There just aren't many options out there and Kemp could be a cheap option (in terms of pieces to acquire him). Guy was really good last year and is tracking strong after a slow start with a new team. There is probably a good chance Kemp ends slightly above 800OPS. He isn't exactly old either so he probably will be productive for the remainder of the deal. Even at a 105-115 wRC+ he would be a bargain at the money the Pads are committed to him.
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He's a year younger than Markakis - both will be the same age when their contracts are up, but Kemp will cost $27 million more.
 
nsacpi said:
Signing someone like Zobrist coming off an off-year for 2 years plus an option to play left is a better move imo.
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I'm aligned with this approach . . . find a FA or trade target who has a reasonable chance of bouncing back after one bad year. Zobrist is so versatile that I fear he will have many suitors. Still worth a look though. Hanley has been mentioned before and would fit that bill on paper, though not sure if he's a "championship caliber player".

Kemp's last good year was 2012, so I'm not expecting a renaissance. That and it leaked that he has a degenerative issue with his hips.
 
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