Trade deadline thread

[Enscheff]

Considering the return for Giolito, if the deadline passes without us getting a starter I will be scratching my head.

Giolito required a FV 50 and an old FV 40. The equivalent package from the Braves would be AJSS and some low level arm we've never heard of.

What would folks say to AJSS for Giolito? Or AJSS for Stroman/Snell/Montgomery?

I would feel pain in my stomach, so I guess that means it's fair. I'm hoping AA finds a deal for one of those guys that requires less than AJSS. Perhaps the downside risk of Stroman makes him cheaper to acquire.

 

[Slippyjms]

Not as far off as you may think. Both Hader and Snell are free agents at the end of the year. They would be getting a starter who made the all star team this season with multiple years of control left.

And just because I said Elder doesn't mean it'd be a 1 for 2 trade. We'd probably have to kick in a prospect as well.

This would obviously be an all in move for this season. But it'd be one that we could absorb without sacrificing our window of contention.

Are you high? You want to trade an All-Star with 6 cheap years of control left for 2 rentals. I'd give them Grissom if they were willing to throw in Cronenworth.

 

[striker42]

Giolito required a FV 50 and an old FV 40. The equivalent package from the Braves would be AJSS and some low level arm we've never heard of.

What would folks say to AJSS for Giolito? Or AJSS for Stroman/Snell/Montgomery?

I would feel pain in my stomach, so I guess that means it's fair. I'm hoping AA finds a deal for one of those guys that requires less than AJSS. Perhaps the downside risk of Stroman makes him cheaper to acquire.

It's more if Giolito drew a FV 50 and a nobody, we should be able to find a useful arm at a reasonable price. There are enough rental arms out there.

 

[Enscheff]

Rosario's hot month took some heat off him, but his current line of .248/.297/.463 paired with below average defense in LF makes him a candidate to be replaced.

Harris has shown less of a platoon split, so the idea of platooning him with someone like Pillar is no longer a serious option.

I'd like to see AA find a real LF and a real SP.

 

[Enscheff]

It's more if Giolito drew a FV 50 and a nobody, we should be able to find a useful arm at a reasonable price. There are enough rental arms out there.

You'll have to be more specific than "useful arm" if you want to have an actual discussion. I've already posted a list of rental SPs who can be expected to pitch better than Morton/Elder.

And no, a back end trash heap SP isn't the addition we should be hoping to see. AA has those stashed in Gwinnett already.

 

[Hudson2]

So the Dodgers are engaged with the Cardinals for Arenado and Montgomery. Wow.

 

[50PoundHead]

Giolito required a FV 50 and an old FV 40. The equivalent package from the Braves would be AJSS and some low level arm we've never heard of.

What would folks say to AJSS for Giolito? Or AJSS for Stroman/Snell/Montgomery?

I would feel pain in my stomach, so I guess that means it's fair. I'm hoping AA finds a deal for one of those guys that requires less than AJSS. Perhaps the downside risk of Stroman makes him cheaper to acquire.

I think you're right in that the ask for any of the top-tier rentals would start with Smith-Shawver. I don't know if Anthopoulos balks or not. Our second tier of prospects would be Shuster, Dodd, etc. Hard to know if that buys much of anything.

 

[Hudson2]

As quick as AA pushed AJSS through to the majors I think that speaks to what AA thinks of him. He has a lot of faith in him so he won’t be traded unless it’s for a controllable arm.

 

[striker42]

You'll have to be more specific than "useful arm" if you want to have an actual discussion. I've already posted a list of rental SPs who can be expected to pitch better than Morton/Elder.

And no, a back end trash heap SP isn't the addition we should be hoping to see. AA has those stashed in Gwinnett already.

There are a lot of middle of the rotation arms out there. Lynn, Flaherty, Eduardo Rodriguez. And others who might be more in Stroman and Snell. Probably a few others out there.

 

[msstate7]

So the Dodgers are engaged with the Cardinals for Arenado and Montgomery. Wow.

And if it happens, they become the favorite in NL

 

[Slippyjms]

Rosario's hot month took some heat off him, but his current line of .248/.297/.463 paired with below average defense in LF makes him a candidate to be replaced.

Harris has shown less of a platoon split, so the idea of platooning him with someone like Pillar is no longer a serious option.

I'd like to see AA find a real LF and a real SP.

I'm having trouble understanding this urgency for another SP. Is Fried Strider Morton and Elder/Wright not a good enough rotation for the playoffs? I see SS and CF depth as far bigger needs.

 

[Hudson2]

I'm having trouble understanding this urgency for another SP. Is Fried Strider Morton and Elder/Wright not a good enough rotation for the playoffs? I see SS and CF depth as far bigger needs.

Last year sucked bc Strider went down before the playoffs. Fried is having forearm issues so it could flare up any time. If we stand pat and anything happens then we’ve wasted another year in our prime window. Elder has started to come back down to earth and Wright is probably done. We need another SP imo.

 

[Hudson2]

And if it happens, they become the favorite in NL

They’ll be the prime suitor for Ohtani next year too. Scary if they got both. But right now the Braves are the best team in baseball and a few bad games doesn’t change that. The guys will heat back up and when they do we’ll get back to our winning ways.

 

[msstate7]

Fried not listed as starter for Gwinnett. I really hope I'm wrong, but I think "sick" is BS

 

[Enscheff]

There are a lot of middle of the rotation arms out there. Lynn, Flaherty, Eduardo Rodriguez. And others who might be more in Stroman and Snell. Probably a few others out there.

No, there isn't...

I've already mentioned Snell and Stroman, both of whom are very close in value to Giolito, if not more valuable.

Lynn: .338 xwOBA
Flaherty: .333 xwOBA

Those 2 guys are not, by definition, "middle of the rotation arms". They are back end SPs who are no better than the options AA already has to fill the back of the rotation. All they offer is name recognition.

Rodriguez sports a .290 xwOBA, and would be a clear upgrade. Problem is he's in the middle of a 5/77 contract that he can opt out of after this year. He will almost certainly opt out if healthy, and will probably opt in to the remaining 3/49 if he gets hurt this year. So he represents a potential rental with a lot of clear downside. I do agree he is an interesting option, and one AA could gamble on. He is probably better than Giolito/Snell/Stroman/Montgomery, and his downside risk will likely limit his trade value.

 

[Enscheff]

I'm having trouble understanding this urgency for another SP. Is Fried Strider Morton and Elder/Wright not a good enough rotation for the playoffs? I see SS and CF depth as far bigger needs.

I've already posted all the data showing they aren't. Anyone banking on Fried and Wright being healthy hasn't been paying attention...at all.

I'd say an actual LFer is more important than depth, but a backup MLB SS would be nice.

 

[Enscheff]

Last year sucked bc Strider went down before the playoffs. Fried is having forearm issues so it could flare up any time. If we stand pat and anything happens then we’ve wasted another year in our prime window. Elder has started to come back down to earth and Wright is probably done. We need another SP imo.

Exactly, the Braves can't afford to waste years in the "Acuna window". They need to be taking these next handful of shots seriously, because after Acuna's deal expires things are going to get pretty bleak pretty quickly.

 

[Carp]

And if it happens, they become the favorite in NL

Their rotation is still mediocre even with Montgomery. And Arenado has taken a bit of a step back from what he's been in recent years. This move gets them the West division most likely, but they're still a good bit behind us, especially if Fried comes back healthy.

 

[50PoundHead]

I'm having trouble understanding this urgency for another SP. Is Fried Strider Morton and Elder/Wright not a good enough rotation for the playoffs? I see SS and CF depth as far bigger needs.

I think the speculation is more about Anthopoulos' moves last deadline. He traded for Odorizzi last year when everyone was healthy. I think that's leading some to believe he'll go that route again. We'll know more in a week whether that theory is valid.

 

[Slippyjms]

Soto apparently is available. I could get behind

Elder
Grissom
Shuster

For

Soto
Snell
Hader