Trade one Keep One

gilesfan said:
Wale me up when Maybin hits 20 homers.

Do you consider .340/.375 guys good hitters?

Setting the standard at .330 obp is awfully low. Its like saying I bet there arent many WS winners without multiple guys winning 10 games.
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I consider any guy with a .340 OBP a pretty good hitter, yeah. You don't have to hit for power to be a good hitter.
 
Enscheff said:
In my opinion, I think it's pretty clear the path to take is to move Peraza back to SS and then trade him. He simply isn't going to hit enough to play anywhere but SS, and Simmons has SS locked down for the foreseeable future. Jace is an excellent defender at 2B, has proven he can be a table setter in the lineup, and is more likely to be productive offensively because his value isn't tied to closely to his BABIP.
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This.

Or, do you move Peraza to short and trade Simmons? Simmons would be much, MUCH more valuable as a trade chip. The question is would Peraza's game both offensively and defensively plus the value you get in return outweigh Simmons and the hypothetical value you would get in return for Peraza in terms of trade.

If the Dodger's are willing to part with Seager+ for Simmons, then I think you do it. Play Seager at 3B (where he's going to end up anyway) and Peraza at short. But, would the Dodgers part with that kind of value for Simmons, arguably the best defensive ss in baseball who is signed for years at a reasonable number?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
This.

Or, do you move Peraza to short and trade Simmons? Simmons would be much, MUCH more valuable as a trade chip. The question is would Peraza's game both offensively and defensively plus the value you get in return outweigh Simmons and the hypothetical value you would get in return for Peraza in terms of trade.

If the Dodger's are willing to part with Seager+ for Simmons, then I think you do it. Play Seager at 3B (where he's going to end up anyway) and Peraza at short. But, would the Dodgers part with that kind of value for Simmons, arguably the best defensive ss in baseball who is signed for years at a reasonable number?
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It ain't happening. Simmons is just too special defensively and the Braves are not crazy about Peraza's arm at short or third for that matter. Peraza can play short well enough but he's nothing special there like he could be at second. Personally, I think he could play third too. If La Stella and Pastornicky can play third anyone can (hyperbole but you get the point, Pastornicky has played third more than any position this year JFYI).

Bottom line: Peraza won't be the one to knock Simmons off short. I doubt anyone will anytime soon barring injury. Albies might have a shot down the road but Peraza doesn't IMO.

PS: If the Braves have decided or decide that Peterson is the second baseman of the present and future. Then Peraza is likely traded at some point IMO.
 
thewupk said:
Juan Pierre had a career 343 OBP. Was he a pretty good hitter?
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Relative to his era? Not really. Though he was pretty good for a few years. Pierre has similar numbers to Brett Gardner through the same age. Would you consider Gardner a pretty good hitter?
 
Carp said:
Relative to his era? Not really. Though he was pretty good for a few years. Pierre has similar numbers to Brett Gardner through the same age. Would you consider Gardner a pretty good hitter?
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I would consider Gardner an averge hitter for his career. Also he has quite a bit more power than Pierre.

Yes Pierre is an extreme example. But players completely void of power are very rarely good hitters. Yes they can have a year or two where they are but for their career? Not so much. Pierre made that up by being an amazing base runner and a good defender early in his career so he was a valuable pre-FA player.
 
Carp said:
Relative to his era? Not really. Though he was pretty good for a few years. Pierre has similar numbers to Brett Gardner through the same age. Would you consider Gardner a pretty good hitter?
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Horsehide Harry said:
This.

Or, do you move Peraza to short and trade Simmons? Simmons would be much, MUCH more valuable as a trade chip. The question is would Peraza's game both offensively and defensively plus the value you get in return outweigh Simmons and the hypothetical value you would get in return for Peraza in terms of trade.

If the Dodger's are willing to part with Seager+ for Simmons, then I think you do it. Play Seager at 3B (where he's going to end up anyway) and Peraza at short. But, would the Dodgers part with that kind of value for Simmons, arguably the best defensive ss in baseball who is signed for years at a reasonable number?
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No. No no no no no. No.
 
I wouldn't expect Peraza to match the offensive production of Jace Peterson if he were called up this year or next. But for 2017 and beyond I think he would while surpassing him on the basepaths. Peraza is not killing it in AAA but when you consider he is 21 his results are not bad at all.
 
nsacpi said:
I wouldn't expect Peraza to match the offensive production of Jace Peterson if he were called up this year or next. But for 2017 and beyond I think he would while surpassing him on the basepaths. Peraza is not killing it in AAA but when you consider he is 21 his results are not bad at all.
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They're different players. Jace is a more patient hitter who strikes out more, Peraza is a less patient hitter who puts more balls in play and lets his legs do the talking. To compare them to more historical players, Jace is a lot like Mark Ellis, while Peraza is a lot like Placido Polanco. They have value they do it differently.

I personally back Peraza for raw ability. I think the current value is negligible, but Peraza if he adds some pop to his game could be a great player.
 
The Placido Polanco comp is an interesting one -- I think any of us would take that kind of performance in a heartbeat. Especially that K rate. Peraza has better wheels by far, though.
 
peraza may not walk much but it doesn't look like he strikes out a ton either. so he's got those wheels and puts the bat on the ball. that should translate across all levels as we're seeing with his batting average approaching .300 now. slap and run as without the strikeouts tells me he has the possibility to make that work going forward.

he's also at 3 HR now which isn't like he's at 0 as a 21 year old. that surely eventually translates as he gets stronger and plays a few games in philadelphia as double digit potential.

i'm not sure i'm on board with giving up on this kid just yet. in fact, his strikeouts are actually decreasing as the years go by so all of these worries about a slap hitter that doesn't walk aren't actually telling the entire picture here.
 
Hawk said:
The Placido Polanco comp is an interesting one -- I think any of us would take that kind of performance in a heartbeat. Especially that K rate. Peraza has better wheels by far, though.
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Yeah. I picked Polanco because he doesn't K much and doesn't walk much. I think Peraza likely won't be that good in those aspects. But I think his speed would be better, so much better.
 
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