Trades You'd Make At The Drop Of A Hat...

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Try to keep them realistic AND following the rebuilding for 2017 goal - immediate short-term returns to try to make the playoffs this season don't really apply.

To start...

1.) Jason Grilli to Toronto for Max Pentecost. Yes he's had two shoulder surgeries, but I'd be more than happy to roll the dice. He was the Kennesaw State kid we REALLY wanted as our next franchise Catcher.

2.) Jose Peraza to San Diego for Rymer Liriano. Slide Jose over to SS for a couple weeks to whet the Padres' appetite and get a legitimate 20/20 threat who can play any OF spot. The Padres are desperate for ANY answer at SS, and they simply don't have anywhere for Liriano to play anytime soon. Would also add the interesting chance that we'd have a 2018 OF consisting of three kids from deals with the Padres (Liriano, Mallex, and Dustin Peterson) as well as two SPs (Wisler and Fried).

3.) Lucas Sims and Mauricio Cabrera to Colorado for Ryan McMahon. I love Ruiz as much as anyone else, but it can't hurt to get someone like McMahon to duke it out with Rio to be the starter at 3B when the new park opens. Colorado is always desperate for arms, and Sims and Cabrera just might tempt them enough to pull the trigger. If it took substituting Hursh or Grosser for Cabrera to get it done, I'd still bite.
 
Along these lines, one I was thinking about also is to send Cabrera or the like to Colorado to make sure we keep the rights to Winkler and don't have to play games with his activation and keep his rehab on track.
 
I'd do #1 without hesitation.

#2 I'd be OK with, and I agree with your thinking that San Diego would be a solid trade partner -- but I think it's selling a little low on Peraza. Just curious: why not Renfroe? Liriano is talented, deserves a shot though.

#3 Fair deal and reasoning, although I'm one of those who thinks Sims is going to enjoy a renaissance and reclaim his top prospect status in the near future.
 
Hawk said:
I'd do #1 without hesitation.

#2 I'd be OK with, and I agree with your thinking that San Diego would be a solid trade partner -- but I think it's selling a little low on Peraza. Just curious: why not Renfroe? Liriano is talented, deserves a shot though.

#3 Fair deal and reasoning, although I'm one of those who thinks Sims is going to enjoy a renaissance and reclaim his top prospect status in the near future.
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For me...

Liriano is much closer to ready, has the flexibility to play CF, and offers speed. Just a better overall package of tools IMO. Maybin clone with more pop.

Not writing off Sims at all, but if you can potentially get your future everyday 3B for one of your pitching prospects, why not use the one you're the least high on if you can? Sims is now behind Folty, Wisler, Banuelos, Fried, Allard, Toussaint, Jenkins, and Sanchez on my personal board.
 
Not a big Liriano fan... nothing in his advanced minor league stats jump out at me as special... especially when trading one of our top prospects. I don't see any evidence at all that Liriano has more pop than Maybin.
 
Hawk said:
I'd do #1 without hesitation.

#2 I'd be OK with, and I agree with your thinking that San Diego would be a solid trade partner -- but I think it's selling a little low on Peraza. Just curious: why not Renfroe? Liriano is talented, deserves a shot though.

#3 Fair deal and reasoning, although I'm one of those who thinks Sims is going to enjoy a renaissance and reclaim his top prospect status in the near future.
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I think Renfroe's star has dimmed quite a bit. Kiley recently said that he's removing him altogether off his top 100. The Frenchy comparisons are too strong, and not the good parts either.
 
chop2chip said:
I think Renfroe's star has dimmed quite a bit. Kiley recently said that he's removing him altogether off his top 100. The Frenchy comparisons are too strong, and not the good parts either.
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Yah not too excited about him either... what's exciting about a 23 year old struggling at his second stop at AA?
 
sturg33 said:
Peraza, Simms, Folty, & CJ for Hammels
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Why not just sign David Price in the offseason and save the prospects? Price is 2 years younger and while he would cost more, it likely won't be that much more than Hamels $22.5M (probably $30M per) and you would have him locked up longer.

The FA market is all about top end pitching. With the room the Braves have (and could have more) in payroll, there is no reason they couldn't sign a couple. Maybe Price and Zimmerman.
 
Grilli has been pitching pretty well. Have to think he would fetch a nice return because he has another year at a nice cost
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Why not just sign David Price in the offseason and save the prospects? Price is 2 years younger and while he would cost more, it likely won't be that much more than Hamels $22.5M (probably $30M per) and you would have him locked up longer.

The FA market is all about top end pitching. With the room the Braves have (and could have more) in payroll, there is no reason they couldn't sign a couple. Maybe Price and Zimmerman.
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They are not signing two big name SP's with all the pitching they've added.

They MIGHT sign one and even that is pushing it.

And Hamels contract is relatively fair given what some of these guys are gonna get.
 
Tapate50 said:
Grilli has been pitching pretty well. Have to think he would fetch a nice return because he has another year at a nice cost
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Him and Jimmy Johns should be dealt provided the return is good.
 
Heyward said:
They are not signing two big name SP's with all the pitching they've added.

They MIGHT sign one and even that is pushing it.

And Hamels contract is relatively fair given what some of these guys are gonna get.
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Every time I ask where the bats are going to come from when I start seeing the pitching, pitching, pitching mantra, I am told that the Braves will trade for bats from excess pitching. OK fine. But you are not going to get top end bats by trading AAAA starters or even a handful of #4's.

You have to look at the strengths of the FA market as well. The strength of this upcoming FA market is pitching, especially top end starters. That's why I think the Braves should trade for hitting now and sign a couple of the known quantity top end starters with the dough they have available in the offseason.

What are they going to do? Spend $50 million per year on the FA hitters that are available? I certainly hope not.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
The strength of this upcoming FA market is pitching, especially top end starters. That's why I think the Braves should trade for hitting now and sign a couple of the known quantity top end starters with the dough they have available in the offseason.

What are they going to do? Spend $50 million per year on the FA hitters that are available? I certainly hope not.
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This would be the logical thing to do. Of course we would need to secure a top 10 pick for next year to make it really worthwhile, and we seem to be hanging around .500 enough to keep that from happening. Of course if we traded Grilli, J Johnson and maybe Maybin after the break that could quickly change I suppose.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Every time I ask where the bats are going to come from when I start seeing the pitching, pitching, pitching mantra, I am told that the Braves will trade for bats from excess pitching. OK fine. But you are not going to get top end bats by trading AAAA starters or even a handful of #4's.

You have to look at the strengths of the FA market as well. The strength of this upcoming FA market is pitching, especially top end starters. That's why I think the Braves should trade for hitting now and sign a couple of the known quantity top end starters with the dough they have available in the offseason.

What are they going to do? Spend $50 million per year on the FA hitters that are available? I certainly hope not.
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I agree we should trade some pitching for a bat.

But we're not signing two top end aces, it's against everything the FO has done this winter.
 
Heyward said:
I agree we should trade some pitching for a bat.

But we're not signing two top end aces, it's against everything the FO has done this winter.
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Not if the plan has been to move existing ML pitching. If they do that, and they need to do it at the deadline if they do, not wait until the glut of FA pitching hits the market in the offseason, then they will have definite need for veteran known help in the offseason. It's similar to what they did with signing Maddux after trading away Zane Smith (and I know they didn't sign Maddux until after the run started but it's about timing and opportunity).

We know Minor is gone, unlikely to come back unless the Braves are willing to roll a $5M dice that his shoulder will rebound next year enough so he can be traded for something (unlikely). Wood and Miller are young, controllable but will be moving o the end of control just as the Braves expect to be REALLY competitive again, so you either need to extend them or consider moving them. Teheran is having an up and down year but is signed to a very good contract. Even saying that, I would consider moving him as well.

Imagine next year a SP rotation of: LH Price, RH Zimmerman, RH Teheran, RH Wisler, LH ManBan with all the ml depth in the wings in case anyone falters or gets hurt.

What would Miller and Wood bring back? Who knows but it would be a lot considering their current performance, contract status and the need around baseball. Could you get a young power hitting OF (like Judge?). Likely. Could you get a good catcher (especially since CB appears to have worn out his welcome, not surprising since he has been way overvalued throughout his minor league career). Sure.

I am not saying you have to have an All-Star at every position. That's unrealistic unless you are the Royals ;D

I am saying that the Braves need Bats, specifically reasonable power bats that will likely occupy the OF positions, 3B, C, maybe 2B and they don't have much in the minors, especially considering that the two closest position prospects who are likely to break in to the lineup at any point are a high average low power CF and 2B.

And, when you accept the needs, and look at the absolute lack of opportunity in filling the needs through FA, then all that is left is trade.

In this current era of baseball, bats are in short supply, pitching is not (relatively) and that is especially true for the Braves.
 
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