TUESDAY MINORS FINAL 7/23 ... Bullpen Blows Save for Soroka

I will say, the organization as a whole took a great step forward this year. Look at our top 30 and see who was disappointing. Fried/TD maybe.. Weigel injury sucked but he was outstanding otherwise. Then you have guys like Folty/Ender/Newk/Jo-gun who established themselves.. Acuna, Soroka and Gohard who shot up the ranks.. To me the biggest disappointments thus far have been Swanson and Fried. Both of whom I feel good about bouncing back.

I'm not 100% surprised with Dansby. We rushed him and he was still learning. It happens. I do think he'll be more than fine.

Fried is really disappointing. I really had high hopes for him this year. Going into the year, he was my favorite of our pitching prospects.
 
THE VENEZUELAN TROUT!

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KATOH is very interesting. FG did a piece a week ago that essentially stated the White Sox have accumulated the most top prospects whose KATOH rankings and prospect list rankings vary by the most. This suggests that they are getting prospects who might not be as good as their hype, and might be why they were able to acquire those guys at all.

It will be very interesting to watch how their system progresses.
 
Mike Trout at 19 in AA: 18% K%. 11% BB rate. 11 HR in 412 PA.

Ronald Acuna at 19 in AAA: 21% K%. 12% BB rate. 3 HR in 57 PA.

If he keeps it up at this pace and has 10 more HR or so in 150+ more PA this year in AAA while maintaining or improving both those rates and continuing to be a menace on the basepaths, the hype will become deafening.

LOL. so you're going to double down on your Acuna = Trout assessment huh?
 
KATOH is very interesting. FG did a piece a week ago that essentially stated the White Sox have accumulated the most top prospects whose KATOH rankings and prospect list rankings vary by the most. This suggests that they are getting prospects who might not be as good as their hype, and might be why they were able to acquire those guys at all.

It will be very interesting to watch how their system progresses.

Giolitto and Moncado have been less than stellar thus far.
 
LOL. so you're going to double down on your Acuna = Trout assessment huh?

El Abusador (his nickname on Instagram) is in the ballpark of Andruw/Trout/Harper with a reasonable chance to become those guys.

The stats are very close, which is all I'm saying. They don't lie. Hell, Acuna is doing better in AAA at 19 than Moncada did at 22.

I am curious what you think his ceiling is. I said last year after I saw him in Rome that he could be a 20/20 guy and he's only gotten better.

He's going to have a .300/30/30 season and be a superstar in the 3 hole ahead of Freddie. That is my opinion.
 
Rutherford is 1 year older than Acuna and has 2 HR in A ball.

Lol.

He did look quite good in Pulaski last year, though. Just not much HR power.
 
Anyone here do Teheran for Willie Calhoun in a deal centered around those two? Probably need another piece from the Dodgers. I wanted the Braves to draft Calhoun in 2015, but Braves went with Josh Graham instead. Graham signed for over slot and Calhoun signed for under, so it wasn't a money issue. Calhoun may be a guy who plays "bat" and struggle to find a position defensively, but he can flat-out hit.
 
Anyone here do Teheran for Willie Calhoun in a deal centered around those two? Probably need another piece from the Dodgers. I wanted the Braves to draft Calhoun in 2015, but Braves went with Josh Graham instead. Graham signed for over slot and Calhoun signed for under, so it wasn't a money issue. Calhoun may be a guy who plays "bat" and struggle to find a position defensively, but he can flat-out hit.

BABIP is consistently lower than his average, which is very interesting. I lean toward "yes," as long as he can play LF. If Kemp "can," I imagine Calhoun can.
 
So now the white sox suck?

No, I'll break it down for you....

Some new data shows that the Sox may have acquired a lot of over hyped prospects. We are discussing the new data. That's what analysts do...discuss new data.

Pozzies are a little different...they stick their heads in the sand and ignore all data that doesn't confirm their biases.

While you're here, can you explain how supply and demand increased Garcia's trade value again? I'm still confused by it, so need the resident genius to help me out. Thanks.
 
No, I'll break it down for you....

Some new data shows that the Sox may have acquired a lot of over hyped prospects. We are discussing the new data. That's what analysts do...discuss new data.

Pozzies are a little different...they stick their heads in the sand and ignore all data that doesn't confirm their biases.

While you're here, can you explain how supply and demand increased Garcia's trade value again? I'm still confused by it, so need the resident genius to help me out. Thanks.

Oh so what you're saying is using surplus value is not always a great way at assessing trade balances? Further, you are saying that scouting is what really matters with young players and that saying that valur represented as a definite numerical value (FV) is not an absolute.

Got it.
 
So now the white sox suck?

I wouldn't say that, but let's take a look at one of their prized possessions, Eloy Jimenez.

He is 20 years, 7 months old in A+ ball. He is batting .297 with 10 HR with 0 stolen bags. 217 AB.

A good prospect to be sure. But then look at El Abusador.

He is 19 years, 7 months old in AAA. He has batted .310 with 15 HR and 35 stolen bags across 3 upper levels. 426 AB.

Acuna is clearly the better prospect while Jimenez continues to receive more love in the rankings, which is silly and proves how faulty things like KATOH+ are.
 
Oh so what you're saying is using surplus value is not always a great way at assessing trade balances? Further, you are saying that scouting is what really matters with young players and that saying that valur represented as a definite numerical value (FV) is not an absolute.

Got it.

I agree with this. Enscheff takes the FV bull**** to extremes. Scouting is clearly the most important thing in the game, and people disagree all the time on prospects.
 
Anyone here do Teheran for Willie Calhoun in a deal centered around those two? Probably need another piece from the Dodgers. I wanted the Braves to draft Calhoun in 2015, but Braves went with Josh Graham instead. Graham signed for over slot and Calhoun signed for under, so it wasn't a money issue. Calhoun may be a guy who plays "bat" and struggle to find a position defensively, but he can flat-out hit.

I'd be all over a deal that contained Keibert Ruiz. Calhoun looks likely for the OF, a big plus if he could stick at 3rd.
 
The KATOH+ list has the Braves getting expected 70.8 WAR from the top 100 guys over their first 6 years. Easily the most of any other team.
 
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