Unrealistic but "fair" trade proposals???

if we are talking tools.. Meadows is 55 power and Bell is 60 power.

And for both Teheran and Freeman?
I'd expect: Moncada + Benintendi + Espinoza + Travis Shaw
and for Houston ( really like Reed as well but some scouts are concerned with his swing): Reed, Tucker, Martes, and Daz Cameron.. very least..

And the reason for taking Sandovals contract is that the RedSox have no place to put Freeman if Sandoval or Ramirez is there. Thus, if we take Sandoval up, everything fits and we could get a larger package in return.
 
bravescountry said:
if we are talking tools.. Meadows is 55 power and Bell is 60 power.

And for both Teheran and Freeman?
I'd expect: Moncada + Benintendi + Espinoza + Travis Shaw
and for Houston ( really like Reed as well but some scouts are concerned with his swing): Reed, Tucker, Martes, and Daz Cameron.. very least..

And the reason for taking Sandovals contract is that the RedSox have no place to put Freeman if Sandoval or Ramirez is there. Thus, if we take Sandoval up, everything fits and we could get a larger package in return.
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And we could give him Laird's old jersey.
 
Everyone has their own personal value for the guys you mention, so don't get too worried when others' differs from yours - it's not personal. That said, my feeling is that unless Julio has an absolute monster first half (or 2016), he doesn't come close to getting you Benintendi - the Sox have several young guys with similar upside that might cost them more $$$ since they're unlikely to sign extensions before reaching free-agency, I just can't see them giving up any of their top guys unless they're getting a true TOR-type arm in return. I'm afraid Julio has a LONG way to go to prove he could be a #2 or #3 in the AL with the DH to face 2-3 times per start.

Have actually been thinking about another potential landing spot for Freeman that has been mentioned in the press, but only in passing. Had a little time to bounce it around my head over the last couple days, and came up with what I think is a pretty good fit. Actually working on talking it out for my When Sid Slid column this week, so I still need to talk it out in my head before I'm convinced it'd work for both sides - hope to have it finished up tonight, but it may be Wednesday.
 
bravescountry said:
if we are talking tools.. Meadows is 55 power and Bell is 60 power.
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:Bowman:

Like I said, you really need to stop quoting scouting grades like they are some sort of gospel. Bell just posted a 7 HR season at age 23. Based on the 80 point scale, a 60 grade power player is someone who will hit between 23-27 HRs or so in the majors. You seriously think he's going to suddenly start hitting 20+ HRs all the sudden? He's only 3 years younger than Freeman. Even if he winds up hitting 15 HR a year in the majors, that's only a 50 grade power tool. I really don't give a rip what some scout projected him at after he was drafted, he hasn't hit those projections, and he's unlikely to at this point. Meadows is a bit different as he's just about to turn 21 and has a bit more time to gain extra power, but he's not looking like a 55 grade (20 HR guy) either.

And I was talking about just Freeman for Tucker and Reed, not Julio too; you are right we'd definitely need more to trade both. And yeah, there is some question about Reed's hit tool. But if Reed's hit tool translates he's a potential David Ortiz type player at 1B. And I always prefer to go high upside myself.

And nobody has anywhere to play Sandoval or Hanley, because they suck. The Red Sox don't have anywhere close to the level of prospects to make me give up Freeman, Julio and take on Sandoval's contract. His contract runs through 2019 and he's a negative WAR player, it's a crippling contract for a low payroll team like us, even if they sent 20 mil or so.

And as Clv said, Julio isn't a great fit for them anyway with the pitching prospects they have. If he turns back into 2013/2014 Julio he might pull Benintendi, but otherwise no chance. The Red Sox are super high on him, for good reason. By this time next year I imagine he will be a top 15-20 prospect easily.
 
Pirates don't need pitching?
They have a rotation of Cole- Liraiano- Locke- Niese- Vogelsong..
and they have pitching prospects that will probably come up mid-season.. but saying that the prospects will pitch well enough is not likely..
and Locke-Niese-Vogelsong isn't that great..

And I didn't know the RedSox were high on Teheran..? If they are.. I mean I would trade him next offseason, but going into the stadium, the FO may be reluctant.
 
My bad for Pirates, but Red Sox still need pitching too...

THe have Price- Bucholz- Porcello- ERod- Owens-Wright for a top 6. IMO, that's an ace (Price), a #3 (Bucholz), a #3 (Porcello), a #2/3 (ERod), and a #2(Owens). But ERod and Owens are future #2 and #3..... if I were the RedSox, I don't think I would be able to rely on them..

But I agree with you there: Teheran would have to pitch like 2013/2014 to get attention on the market and that's from any team.
 
bravescountry said:
My bad for Pirates, but Red Sox still need pitching too...

THe have Price- Bucholz- Porcello- ERod- Owens-Wright for a top 6. IMO, that's an ace (Price), a #3 (Bucholz), a #3 (Porcello), a #2/3 (ERod), and a #2(Owens). But ERod and Owens are future #2 and #3..... if I were the RedSox, I don't think I would be able to rely on them..

But I agree with you there: Teheran would have to pitch like 2013/2014 to get attention on the market and that's from any team.
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Elias and Kelly as well.
 
forgot them.. but they are #3 pitchers....

that's a bunch of #3 pitchers and like last year, it won't help much to going to postseason berth. They'd need at least another #1/2 upside pitcher. It doesn't matter if its Teheran or not, but they DO need a pitcher.
 
bravescountry said:
forgot them.. but they are #3 pitchers....

that's a bunch of #3 pitchers and like last year, it won't help much to going to postseason berth. They'd need at least another #1/2 upside pitcher. It doesn't matter if its Teheran or not, but they DO need a pitcher.
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The Royals won the World Series with less than what Boston has now..
 
I don't see us getting fair value on Julio this offseason, and I can't see the FO pitching Wiser or Norris as an opening day starter.
 
This Julio not being enough to get Benintendi talk is utter nonsense.

The kid has 239 professional plate appearances.

....At Low A and A ball.

But he is more valuable that a number 2 SP locked into a very team friendly long term deal?????

Man...
 
blueagleace1 said:
The Royals won the World Series with less than what Boston has now..
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with a pen that can lock games down after the 6th inning. Boston got Kimbrel but I haven't/don't remember much more about who else they have. Also, the Royals played incredible defense.. again.. not so familiar with the red sox defense.
 
Ross7405 said:
This Julio not being enough to get Benintendi talk is utter nonsense.

The kid has 239 professional plate appearances.

....At Low A and A ball.

But he is more valuable that a number 2 SP locked into a very team friendly long term deal?????

Man...
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Yeah. Can't miss prospects often do.
 
We never said Teheran can't get Benintendi.....

but he would have to regain some value after a pretty bad, to say the least, 2015.
 
Ross7405 said:
This Julio not being enough to get Benintendi talk is utter nonsense.

The kid has 239 professional plate appearances.

....At Low A and A ball.

But he is more valuable that a number 2 SP locked into a very team friendly long term deal?????

Man...
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Julio in 2015 was not a #2. You can look at 2013 and 2014 and say he is, but the most recent evidence available doesn't match that assertion. I think other teams will hesitate to treat him as such in any trade discussions, and would not give up a premium asset for him unless he goes out there in 2016 and pitches better.
 
bravescountry said:
We never said Teheran can't get Benintendi.....

but he would have to regain some value after a pretty bad, to say the least, 2015.
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I actually said Teheran can't get a player like Benintendi - without a "monster" first half or 2016. And will say so until the day he does. Call it "nonsense" if you like. He's apparently not enough to get Soler or Baez even if he gets to stay in the NL or he'd likely be a Cub already.
 
mqt said:
Julio in 2015 was not a #2. You can look at 2013 and 2014 and say he is, but the most recent evidence available doesn't match that assertion. I think other teams will hesitate to treat him as such in any trade discussions, and would not give up a premium asset for him unless he goes out there in 2016 and pitches better.
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The other part of Julio is his contract. It's great.
Age 29 he'll make 12 million in 2020. You probably aren't getting good 5th starter for that by next year.

I keep Julio. I believe in Julio. But if he's back to his old self at the deadline, then a team who smells the WS (Cubs, Yanks, Sox, etc) could give up a haul for him.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
with a pen that can lock games down after the 6th inning. Boston got Kimbrel but I haven't/don't remember much more about who else they have. Also, the Royals played incredible defense.. again.. not so familiar with the red sox defense.
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Kimbrel, Carson Smith, Uehara, Tazawa is awfully tough.

Bradley, Betts, Castillo has a chance to be the best defensive OF in the game. Bradley is unbelieveable. Pedroia is still Pedroia. Bogaerts has improved quite a bit. Hanley and Sandoval are question marks, but Panda's proven adequate in the past and supposedly has worked much harder this winter. They may not be as good overall defensively as the Royals, but their rotation is better and their pen is somewhat comparable. Defense isn't going to kill them.
 
bravescountry said:
if we are talking tools.. Meadows is 55 power and Bell is 60 power.

And for both Teheran and Freeman?
I'd expect: Moncada + Benintendi + Espinoza + Travis Shaw
and for Houston ( really like Reed as well but some scouts are concerned with his swing): Reed, Tucker, Martes, and Daz Cameron.. very least..

And the reason for taking Sandovals contract is that the RedSox have no place to put Freeman if Sandoval or Ramirez is there. Thus, if we take Sandoval up, everything fits and we could get a larger package in return.
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If that's what you "expect", you'd better be willing to trade Julio Urias and Corey Seager.
 
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