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A related but perhaps more interesting question is which of our prospects is undervalued by the consensus in the business (to the extent to which we can glean such a consensus).

The ones I think are a bit undervalued: Albies, Allard, Soroka, Acuna, Maitan, Peterson, Ruiz.

I also have a couple dark horse favorites that I hope do not get included as "throw ins" in any deal: Povse and Yepez.
 
I'm a little curious why we haven't seen Demeritte mentioned a possible long term 3B option. I watched him play in the Arizona Fall All-Star game (I forget the actual name of it) on MLB network a few days ago and he would seem to be a potential option there for us long term. You guys are way more into this than I have time to be, why doesn't he seem to be that highly considered for our long term 3B needs?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I'm a little curious why we haven't seen Demeritte mentioned a possible long term 3B option. I watched him play in the Arizona Fall All-Star game (I forget the actual name of it) on MLB network a few days ago and he would seem to be a potential option there for us long term. You guys are way more into this than I have time to be, why doesn't he seem to be that highly considered for our long term 3B needs?
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I think there is a chance he could be an option at 3B. I think the FO is looking at a lot of different options. His value would be highest at 2B. What does that mean for Albies though? Is Riley our future 3B or is he eventually a 3B/1B/DH who has more value to an AL team? I think we'll get a better idea once we see some trades go down as to their direction. They could just be happy with him being a Profar/Baez type that seems to be popular right now.
 
Chico said:
I think there is a chance he could be an option at 3B. I think the FO is looking at a lot of different options. His value would be highest at 2B. What does that mean for Albies though? Is Riley our future 3B or is he eventually a 3B/1B/DH who has more value to an AL team? I think we'll get a better idea once we see some trades go down as to their direction. They could just be happy with him being a Profar/Baez type that seems to be popular right now.
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This. Completely. I think we have a lot of "valuable" assets that we can look and we'll soon find out just what the FO's plan is. I personally think we hold onto Dermitte to build his value, either way. I think Albies, Riley or Ruiz is gone in a trade for a 1-3-type starter.
 
nsacpi said:
A related but perhaps more interesting question is which of our prospects is undervalued by the consensus in the business (to the extent to which we can glean such a consensus).

The ones I think are a bit undervalued: Albies, Allard, Soroka, Acuna, Maitan, Peterson, Ruiz.

I also have a couple dark horse favorites that I hope do not get included as "throw ins" in any deal: Povse and Yepez.
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Have been keeping an eye on Yepez personally.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I'm a little curious why we haven't seen Demeritte mentioned a possible long term 3B option. I watched him play in the Arizona Fall All-Star game (I forget the actual name of it) on MLB network a few days ago and he would seem to be a potential option there for us long term. You guys are way more into this than I have time to be, why doesn't he seem to be that highly considered for our long term 3B needs?
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One thing that everybody could agree is that we'd love for him to become something along those lines. Others have already expressed concern about his strikeout rate, which is a valid concern. Just give him more time to develop, and see if he gains selectivity and consistent ability to make contact. It shouldn't take long, as AA/AAA is when hitters face more serious stuff. Somebody else would be better qualified to surmise his ETA, but suspecting that he might need at least 2 full years at AAA before being ready to take the big step.
 
Knucksie said:
One thing that everybody could agree is that we'd love for him to become something along those lines. Others have already expressed concern about his strikeout rate, which is a valid concern. Just give him more time to develop, and see if he gains selectivity and consistent ability to make contact. It shouldn't take long, as AA/AAA is when hitters face more serious stuff. Somebody else would be better qualified to surmise his ETA, but suspecting that he might need at least 2 full years at AAA before being ready to take the big step.
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I think if you have plus defense then your offensive game doesn't need to be fully polished to make a contribution.
 
Knucksie said:
One thing that everybody could agree is that we'd love for him to become something along those lines. Others have already expressed concern about his strikeout rate, which is a valid concern. Just give him more time to develop, and see if he gains selectivity and consistent ability to make contact. It shouldn't take long, as AA/AAA is when hitters face more serious stuff. Somebody else would be better qualified to surmise his ETA, but suspecting that he might need at least 2 full years at AAA before being ready to take the big step.
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The funny thing about that is everyone was lining up last season to trade Julio for someone with the exact same profile (Baez).
 
clvclv said:
The funny thing about that is everyone was lining up last season to trade Julio for someone with the exact same profile (Baez).
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Do you mean members of this forum or the F.O.?

If it's the former, this is a good reminder to try and tune out the fantasy league banter which unfortunately gets commingled with legitimate rumors.

If it's the latter, there were motivations to do so. Pretty much everybody, save Freeman, was considered fair game if the "right" offer came along. Further, trading Julio would have been another way to remove one of the last remaining Wren multi-year contracts from the payroll. Don't recall Baez being targeting specifically, but will take your word.
 
clvclv said:
The funny thing about that is everyone was lining up last season to trade Julio for someone with the exact same profile (Baez).
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The exact same profile? That's reaching... Baez's minor league numbers much better than Demeritte's have been... like bigly. Don't forget what a monster prospect Baez was.... he was a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. I guess they both have power potential, have a little speed, and both strikeout.... Baez just does everything else quite a bit better.
 
zbhargrove said:
The exact same profile? That's reaching... Baez's minor league numbers much better than Demeritte's have been... like bigly. Don't forget what a monster prospect Baez was.... he was a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. I guess they both have power potential, have a little speed, and both strikeout.... Baez just does everything else quite a bit better.
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The point is that the K-Rate scared everyone about Baez (rightfully so) just like Demeritte's does. As others have pointed out, as long as he gives you strong defense and a little speed every-so-often the swing-and-miss isn't that big of a concern for one (or even two) spot in the lineup. I just don't think I'd ever want to trade a Pitcher of Julio's caliber for that. The thing I'd hope to avoid is letting that get away from you like it began to when you had B. J./Melvin, Justin, Uggla, Gattis, and even Freeman when he goes through one of his K stretches - just becomes SO hard to scratch a couple runs together (as we've unfortunately had to watch).
 
Swanson, Acuna, Maitan and Allard.

Although all of them can be had for the right deal.

I'd only deal Albies if its bringing back Sale or Archer.
 
Looks like pretty good agreement: Freeman, Teheran, and Swanson on the ML Prospects with the most upside and fairly untouchable start with Maitan, then Albies, Acuna, or Allard. I'd hate to deal Inciarte but we do have Mallex. Swanson and to a lesser degree other options like Demeritte sort of make you consider dealing Albies.

I really think we need to let some of our players build some value and then consider dealing them. Hopefully Vizcaino starts off strong then I'd deal him at max value, especially since we have so many starters coming that may turn into relievers (ie Sims or even Newcombe). Also, if we have to deal some prospects, I would not mind seeing use deal a highly thought of lower level pitcher or two for a similarly thought of power hitting prospect, but you rarely see those sort of deals.
 
Eyeman said:
Looks like pretty good agreement: Freeman, Teheran, and Swanson on the ML Prospects with the most upside and fairly untouchable start with Maitan, then Albies, Acuna, or Allard. I'd hate to deal Inciarte but we do have Mallex. Swanson and to a lesser degree other options like Demeritte sort of make you consider dealing Albies.

I really think we need to let some of our players build some value and then consider dealing them. Hopefully Vizcaino starts off strong then I'd deal him at max value, especially since we have so many starters coming that may turn into relievers (ie Sims or even Newcombe). Also, if we have to deal some prospects, I would not mind seeing use deal a highly thought of lower level pitcher or two for a similarly thought of power hitting prospect, but you rarely see those sort of deals.
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Problem is, that's not how it typically goes with teams who are contenders (or trying to build the illusion that they are). Let's say Folty starts strong, looks like a solid 3 borderline 2 and the Braves trade him at the deadline, this place would be going nuts, much less the regular street fan.

If you are rebuilding, you can let players build value (or rebound) then trade them. It's harder to do when contending is expected.
 
zbhargrove said:
The exact same profile? That's reaching... Baez's minor league numbers much better than Demeritte's have been... like bigly. Don't forget what a monster prospect Baez was.... he was a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. I guess they both have power potential, have a little speed, and both strikeout.... Baez just does everything else quite a bit better.
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Yeah, comparing Demeritte to Baez is pretty lazy. Right up there with comparing every pitchability pitcher with Maddux/Glavine. TD's likely best case scenario is what Baez is now. Baez still has the ceiling of a 5 WAR player.

I have read TD doesn't have the arm for the left side of the infield, which is how you get a 70 defender at 2B. His arm might play at SS or 3B in a utility role, but not as an everyday player.
 
I have not seen any concerns on td arm or d.

I do think the td hype train is way out of the station. He still in lower minors and striking out a ton.

To me he's a potential sell high candidate if the right trade comes along. And the right trade is someone you can control for 3+ years and you expect to be 3 war or better. And in that deal he's prob third piece
 
Russ2dollas said:
I have not seen any concerns on td arm or d.

I do think the td hype train is way out of the station. He still in lower minors and striking out a ton.

To me he's a potential sell high candidate if the right trade comes along. And the right trade is someone you can control for 3+ years and you expect to be 3 war or better. And in that deal he's prob third piece
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I think I wait one more year just to see what he does next year... if the power continues and the K rate comes down a little bit (which he's been working hard on)... then he could shoot up lists as a rare commodity at second base with plus to plus plus power and decent speed. If you move him to third, he likely doesn't have quite as much value. So, if you decide he doesn't have a future with the team... keep him at second and trade him when he maximizes that value.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I have not seen any concerns on td arm or d.

I do think the td hype train is way out of the station. He still in lower minors and striking out a ton.

To me he's a potential sell high candidate if the right trade comes along. And the right trade is someone you can control for 3+ years and you expect to be 3 war or better. And in that deal he's prob third piece
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You may be right.

MLBPipeline rates his arm 60 (they gave Swanson a 55 and Albies a 60).

BP's blurb on him states, "he’s an athletic, rangy defender at second, with enough arm strength to test the left-side waters in a utility role".

The prospect guy from FG, Eric Longenhagen, has mentioned his lack of arm strength in his chats, so we will see how he rates TD's arm when his Braves prospects article comes out.
 
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