Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

I'd have no interest in that trade. We have too many holes to go after a player like Cutch. If our timeline was advanced a couple years it'd be a great idea, but by the time we're ready to compete, he'll be declining and hitting FA.
 
DirkPiggler said:
More on Bregman...just looked at his college stats to make sure I wasn't remembering incorrectly. Alex never put up outstanding power numbers in college, in spite of playing in a park that favored hitters somewhat. His best year included 9 homers. The power surge at Corpus Christi this year is by far the biggest of his career at the college or minor league level. It looks like a mirage to me.

While he's a talented player, I don't see him being the power bat we're looking for either. If we were light on shortstops/ middle infielders I'd be fine with taking him, but I see him as being at best an equivalent player to Swanson. The only way I'd want him is if we used Albies and/or Swanson in a deal to pick up a comparable player at another position.
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So what you're saying is, is that players don't get better and if they do then it's a mirage...awesome
 
clvclv said:
If the Sox want to dangle Benintendi as the centerpiece of a trade at this point, he's more of a fit as a straight-up return for Vizcaino IMO. If you could make that deal and then get Gallo and Cordell, you'd REALLY be onto something
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:Bowman:

You say some amazingly insane stuff on here with a straight face. How exactly has Benintendi's stock dropped in any way shape or form exactly? But I'm sure Swanson is still a sure fire stud in your eyes.

Yet you somehow think a 24 year old OF repeating AA with horrible BB/K rates is the solution? That's laughable. Keeping Julio unless you get an amazing return is a perfectly understandable position to take, but you are just spouting nonsense here. Come on man.
 
Hudson2 said:
So what you're saying is, is that players don't get better and if they do then it's a mirage...awesome
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It's just my opinion, based on seeing Bregman, Swanson, and Benintendi play in college several times over the last three years. Feel free to disagree.
 
auyushu said:
:Bowman:

You say some amazingly insane stuff on here with a straight face. How exactly has Benintendi's stock dropped in any way shape or form exactly? But I'm sure Swanson is still a sure fire stud in your eyes.

Yet you somehow think a 24 year old OF repeating AA with horrible BB/K rates is the solution? That's laughable. Keeping Julio unless you get an amazing return is a perfectly understandable position to take, but you are just spouting nonsense here. Come on man.
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Saying that I wouldn't give up Julio for Benintendi is saying "his stock dropped"?

If you'll read slowly enough to understand what you're reading, you'll see that I said Benintendi shouldn't be anywhere near enough to get Julio. Would Benintendi AND Devers or Espinoza be enough? I have no idea if Coppy thinks it would, but it'd be close for me.

I said that I'd only move Julio without hesitation if Texas wanted him and the deal included Gallo and Cordell.

As for thinking "Swanson is still a sure fire stud", you're trying to put words in my mouth - I said nothing of the sort anywhere in this thread. FWIW, I do think he'll be a better player than Benintendi, but he's certainly not comparable to the elite young SSs like Correa/Seager/Lindor. I can't fathom anyone ever including him in that group.
 
Every page of this thread is a constant reminder of how disappointed people are going to be with the return for Teheran if we end up trading him.
 
CJ9 said:
Every page of this thread is a constant reminder of how disappointed people are going to be with the return for Teheran if we end up trading him.
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I don't think we make a trade unless it's a massive overpay. It would literally be idiotic to do so.
 
I think Boston is the target. Local media writing articles that they need to go for it

I think we would have yo think about taking Sandoval deal to get the impact guy we want.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think Boston is the target. Local media writing articles that they need to go for it

I think we would have yo think about taking Sandoval deal to get the impact guy we want.
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I'm not sure we need to get tied up in a long term deal even if we land a big prospect.
 
clvclv said:
Saying that I wouldn't give up Julio for Benintendi is saying "his stock dropped"?
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No, the fact that you said Benintendi was a fair return straight up for Viz was saying that. I assumed you thought his stock had dropped tremendously because of that statement. The alternative is that you actually think Viz is worth a top 20 prospect, which would be completely absurd.

I have no issues with anyone not wanting to move Julio and wanting a gigantic return for him (it's a perfectly understandable viewpoint), but people putting down Benintendi and Bregman and then pumping up a guy like Gallo who has huge contact concerns is just baffling to me. Benintendi and Espinosa for Julio should be a slam dunk move if we are considering moving him, not a maybe.

Sorry for putting words into your mouth on Swanson, just making me shake my head constantly seeing other teams prospects get put down when the same people consider our prospects struggles "normal".
 
CJ9 said:
Every page of this thread is a constant reminder of how disappointed people are going to be with the return for Teheran if we end up trading him.
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He's very good pitcher and very cost-controlled. If the return isn't something that's slam-dunk great for the Braves—something that nobody's going to be disappointed with—it's worth just keeping Julion around.
 
The Braves won't take back Sandavol under any circumstances. They've finally rid themselves of horrible contracts, they won't take on that albatross.
 
nsacpi said:
I would think both of their stocks are down from the start of the season. Not a lot. But some.
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They both raked at high A, I'd say they are about the same right now. Now if their numbers are the same at the end of the year at AA as they are right now I'd say you'd be right.

I'd say Dansby has dropped off a bit more though, he's struggled for almost 200 ABs now at AA and been up and down the whole time. During the month of June Dansby has hit .155, he's going in the wrong direction.

Benintendi on the other hand was terrible his first 50 ABs and has been raking for the past month (particular so the last couple weeks) He has a .297 avg with 3 HRs and a .869 OPS in June over 64 ABs. He looks to be turning things around and adjusting.
 
There does come a point where your organization has to stop treating players as assets (or at least stop treating them JUST as assets) to be flipped for maximum value and to start looking at them as actual baseball players who will contribute on an actual baseball field, not just flipped on the futures market. Teheran's signed through 2019 with an eminently reasonable team option for 2020. If we're not competitive by 2019-2020, something very bad has happened and a whole bunch of people will have lost their jobs. Teheran will still be just 29 in 2020.

All of which is a long way of saying that there's a very good chance he'll be a positive contributor for a good Braves team- he's not a free agent to be (Heyward) or an older player not likely to contribute in four or five years (Gattis). He won't kill our payroll at any point. There's absolutely no reason to trade him. Cost-controlled young starters are what we've theoretically been trying to acquire over the last two years.

Of course, there's no such thing as an untouchable player. If a desperate contender wants to overwhelm us with young bats, you consider that. But that's the only circumstance under which Teheran should be traded. A "fair value" trade isn't a good idea for us right now- there's absolutely no reason for us to cut the typical "Teheran for a top 75 pitching prospect, a minor league reliever with good K rates while being too old for his level and a moderately intriguing C-level position player prospect" deal.
 
MadduxFanII said:
A "fair value" trade isn't a good idea for us right now- there's absolutely no reason for us to cut the typical "Teheran for a top 75 pitching prospect, a minor league reliever with good K rates while being too old for his level and a moderately intriguing C-level position player prospect" deal.
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Fair summary and I agree with everything you said. I think most of the consternation in this thread comes from multiple people saying a top 20 prospect with two top 100ish prospects or two top 20-30 prospects are questionable returns for Julio.

We are at a crossroads here with the team, we have no bats in the pipeline past Albies and Swanson and have one of the bottom two offenses in baseball for the second year in a row. We have to get offense beyond those two to compete for the playoffs, and we haven't been drafting it. So we have to either trade for it or sign it in FA.

I'm fine with keeping Julio, but if the plan is to compete in the 2017-2019 range we have to go get some bats in FA or by trade (and trading other pitching assets for hitting is extremely iffy since we don't have our own rotation yet).

If we keep Julio I'd like to see us sign two out of Cespedes, Desmond, or Prado for LF and 3B, to bridge the gap to our international signings and whatever we draft next year, while still making us a watchable offense.
 
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