zbhargrove
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Take it with a grain of salt... but Morosi asked someone in the Astros front office if there was a chance Bregman could be dealt for a starter now... the answer "was a flat no"
Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates
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Braves1976
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I think it's more likely Houston and Atlanta hook up in a trade with Bregman coming to Atlanta and Teheran and possibly Viz to Houston. If not Bregman will likely be on the move somewhere else for a trade including a starter.
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I think that is the truth. I don't see the stros trading Bregman.
Braves1976
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I find that hard to believe with this signing, even before hand there seemed signs that Houston was willing to use Bregman as the trade chip to put them over the top in the division and now that seems even more likely. Maybe they're saying that because they will only trade him if they get exactly who they want back and are not sure how likely that is (and it might be they'll only do so for a package including Teheran and that Atlanta is asking for a lot more). Whatever the case, both Atlanta and Houston match up well and both say no on trading their main trade chips. I can believe that more with Atlanta than I can Houston, esp. with Texas struggling opening the door for them.
Braves1976
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I think so too, how many times have we heard that before said player was traded? A lot. FWIW, I believe Bregman is just as available as Teheran but that doesn't mean either will be traded. It all comes down to finding a right match in a trade, if that happens (or at least to their GM's liking) then they'll be moved and if not no deal.
zbhargrove
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Well, to be fair, we have no idea if Teheran is really available or not. The only player Coppy has put his foot down as much with was Freeman and he obviously hasn't been traded.
zbhargrove
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I don't know... they probably need to see how Gurriel does. Its not like these high profile Cubans are always stars... tons of them bust in which having traded Bregman would be a disaster for them. There's no guarantee with Gurriel at all.
Braves1976
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Given his track record they and scouts seem to think he should do well enough. But I am not saying I agree, of course they could be wrong. I haven't seen him enough to say much to be honest but they're paying him quite a bit and certainly not expecting a bust. Further, Houston could still keep Bregman either way if they cannot get the starter and bullpen help in a deal for him. While I think Bregman can be had I think the price will be high. But I also think they'll consider moving others too, including Moran and various players on their roster. So depending on how trade talks go they could end up trading Bregman or others and keeping him.
That said, I really like what Houston is doing and won't be surprised if they end up catching Texas like Texas caught them last year. The trades they make before the deadline may be key in how that works out.
Braves1976
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I do think both match up and probably as good as anyone now.
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I love Teheran but with as much pitching as we've acquired and the lack of hitting if we would be beyond crazy to hold onto him if we had the chance to add a young power bat. I know most won't turn into Teheran but with as much as we've acquired I'd bet several become better.
Hudson2
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Teheran and Ruiz gives them a fall back option. Not a Bregman but at least an option.
zbhargrove
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Most scouts said Olivera would be a really good hitter also. Power was his question mark... turns out he's not good at either.
zbhargrove
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They already traded Ruiz away... doubt they want him back.
Braves1976
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Gurriel seems quite a bit more hyped to me, right or wrong, and I don't recall Houston being in on Olivera. They were in on Abreu and almost signed him but the White Sox got him instead. I'd say that deal looks great for the White Sox now. Further, I don't think it's wise to use Olivera and say okay no more Cubans. The Braves may be doing that but if so that seems an overreaction to their failure on Olivera.
Braves1976
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Agreed. They also don't have an issue at third. They are just looking for positions to put these players including third. They have three or four potential third base prospects already in the top 20 too.
Yeah, but Gurriel has been called the best player in Cuba for about the past decade now, his performances are more in line with Cespedes than Olivera. Not that there aren't questions about any Cuban player coming to the majors, and there is the fact that he's 32 as well, but he's much more well thought of than Olivera was at the time he was signed.
Braves1976
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The age would be my main concern based on scouting reports with Gurriel, but I haven't heard reports of health issues including a torn UCL before hand. The Dodgers ignored such red flags with Olivera because they have a ton of money and can do so. Now why the Braves did so is another story. But that more reflects poorly on the Braves and their scouting Olivera, etc. Houston was right on Abreu and may prove correct on Gurriel as well. Just because we go for a bust and some others do doesn't mean there isn't good Cuban players to sign that can help MLB teams. Time will tell if Gurriel will live up to his hype and even if he does his decline could be sooner than later given his age. But even if so it could be a wise move for Houston if he helps them win later this year and next.
Agreed, I have my doubts about going 5 years with him, but I think he will be solid for them the next couple seasons.