Ahh yes, the whole "the Braves couldn't have afforded both Lewis and Wentz argument even though Lewis signed for $720k less than Anderson" point of view.
Seems logical haha!
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Ahh yes, the whole "the Braves couldn't have afforded both Lewis and Wentz argument even though Lewis signed for $720k less than Anderson" point of view.
Seems logical haha!
Oh man, let's not do this again. For someone who seems intelligent and likes to constantly bombard everyone with his own opinion of said intelligence, for some reason this is one discussion where logic seems to avoid you.
So Smoot math says $4M - $3.2M doesn't equal $700k?
Oh that's right, the next statement will be "Lewis wouldn't have accepted $4M if he was drafted in Anderson's slot, even though he later accepted $3.2M", based on nothing but pure conjecture.
Bottom line is the dude took $3.2M rather than going back to school. He would have taken $4M rather than going back to school too.
You don't know what it would have taken to sign him at #3, you can say he would have taken $4m, but maybe the Braves talked to him and he said he wouldn't. Now the Braves could have low-balled him anyway and he probably bites, but you just can't say that for sure.
You don't know what it would have taken to sign him at #3, you can say he would have taken $4m, but maybe the Braves talked to him and he said he wouldn't. Now the Braves could have low-balled him anyway and he probably bites, but you just can't say that for sure.
He chose $3.2M over going back to college. Fact.
There is no logical scenario where he turns down $4M to go back to school if he didn't turn down $3.2M.
You can say that about every draft pick ever. You think it would have taken $7 million to get Wright to turn down going back to school and losing his leverage if he was taken at 10? You think Dansby would have gone back to Vandy if he was drafted 8 and offered slot or slightly above?
No, probably not. But these guys still have leverage and use that to get more money. Teams have the leverage of saying that if you don't take this money, you can go back to school and get way less next year; players have the leverage of saying that if you don't give me more, I'm going back to school and you won't have me.
The bottom line is that saying that because Lewis was drafted 11th and took exactly slot, it means he would have obviously taken way less than slot were he drafted 3rd is ridiculous. Maybe, but there is clearly a scenario where we don't get him for $4 million if we take him 3rd. It is an unknown, no matter what you want to pretend. So being that it is an unknown, and being that we actually did get Anderson for well below slot and it allowed us to get Wentz (and Muller), I can't be upset with that, even if I wanted Lewis. Speculation about what we could have done around Lewis is just that.
List for me the college juniors taken in the 1st round the last 10 years (outside the top 2, those always go for below slot) who signed for well below slot. I bet you won't find many, if any.
He got drafter later and had less leverage and a smaller slot value. Fact.
Again, the Braves could have absolutely low-balled him at #3 and offered $4 million; but nobody in this forum can say for sure what the outcome of that would have been. Certainly not you or me.
These players and their agents aren't dumb. They know where they were drafted and what slot value is, so they know what you can afford to spend on them. Some demand a certain figure and others are willing to take less if agreed beforehand. Others don't do either and are just drafted somewhere, then negotiations take place. But Lewis was able to get full slot out of the Mariners. Acting like it was feasible for him to tell him, 'No, I want 2x the slot value for this pick, which I know you basically have no actual ability to do,' is insane.
Southcack77
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On balance, I suspect the Braves could have signed Lewis for 4 million.
But I think you are correct that the agents and the players know the difference in the overall pool between the picks and know what teams can afford at respective spots.
You got a bit of an example this season with Kyle Wright. While some suggest that an under the table deal for his demand was the only reason he slipped (though there is no reporting on that) it still remains the case that he apparently had leverage to force one of the biggest overslot deals ever.
It's a pretty tough game of chicken to get into.
Still, IMO the Braves were not blown away by Lewis.
Oh good grief, why are people still clinging to this idea that we needed Lewis to sign way below slot in order to sign Wentz and Muller? We could have signed Lewis for the almost 5 mil Pint signed for, and still afforded Wentz+Muller simply by selecting a low value college senior instead of Harrington, and we could have gone with a senior instead of Walker to save even more money if it was needed. Cumberland also signed crazy over slot as well if you wanted to go in another direction. The bottom line is Anderson versus Lewis was not required in any shape or fashion to get Wentz and Muller.
The Braves wanted pitching. They got 3 pitchers. Mission accomplished.
I don't know why folks insist on arguing facts like Anderson wasn't BPA or that they could have easily afforded Lewis.
It's almost like pozzies know it wasn't the best move, so they are trying to come up with all these silly obstacles that aren't based in reality.
The Braves prioritized pitching and sacrficed BPA to get as much as they could. That was their goal. Period. Own it and stop acting like it was anything other than that.
Kyle Lewis was a monster after being drafted and looks to be on that same path after his knee injury. We will see if it continues, just like we will see how all that pitching pans out.
You have a strange idea to what a "monster" is. .915 ops in high rookie ball for someone over 20 is not exactly setting the world on fire.
If a Braves college draftee did that in his professional debut the pozzies around here would be jizzig in their pants after every post, and you know it.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
There would have to be some recovery time man.. seriously.
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bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Maybe I just don't have enough Pozz in me to keep up.
Deester11
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Honestly, why can't we just accept Anderson and two other very good prospects in Wentz and Muller and move on. Could care less about BPA right now. Our system is in great shape...Pozzie or not I love that better than saying Sims or freaking Hursh is our best prospect. Let It go and enjoy.