Which Issue(s) Do You Struggle Most With?

So you'd rather have that crackhead 17 year old be responsible for a child? As a libertarian I'm sure you wouldn't CPS involved when she neglects the child.

And that's a highly irrelevant difference to the context of the question you asked.

You're comparing a voluntary operation, to being forcibly aborted. THat's the difference.

To compare, you're saying that someone buying your car, coming to your house, and picking it up, is equivalent to car jacking.

Well if your concern is that the crackhead can't take care of the kid, why don't we kill it after its born?

The fact that nobody is comfortable putting a line on when it's ok and when it's not speaks for itself.

My GF's mom is an OBGYN, and is pro-choice... but refuses to perform one herself. That's telling to me.
 
Well if your concern is that the crackhead can't take care of the kid, why don't we kill it after its born?

The fact that nobody is comfortable putting a line on when it's ok and when it's not speaks for itself.

My GF's mom is an OBGYN, and is pro-choice... but refuses to perform one herself. That's telling to me.

What are you talking about? This post is 3 disjointed thoughts that don't address the point I made.

You didn't address my point, what's the difference between (I'll make it even more simple) giving a car to someone and being carjacked? Either way the car is out of your hands.
 
What are you talking about? This post is 3 disjointed thoughts that don't address the point I made.

You didn't address my point, what's the difference between (I'll make it even more simple) giving a car to someone and being carjacked? Either way the car is out of your hands.

I don't know where your dumb car thing came from to be honest... so I didn't bother responding to it.

Why does one woman in one hospital room get the attention of 10 doctors trying to save the life of a fetus during a miscarriage, where a woman in the room next door decides that fetus should be destroyed.

That's ass backwards - to steal a line from our friend ESP
 
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Dang straight. The whole sophomoric lot of 'm.
 
All of them from both sides.

I am afraid our country is going to suffer in my lifetime because of it.

How I see it bluntly....the Liberals want the rich to pay for everything and for a good reason.
The greedy Conversatives want to be the richest in the world and do not care how they obtain it. With wealth you obtain power and when you have all power as they say in Spider Man, with power comes responsibility and the rich Neo-Cons have the faintest clue on what that is.
Wait you Liberals need to pull up your pants and stop thinking about social issues because they don't pay your paycheck. You honestly think the greedy Republicans really care about that? No, they don't, Gov Walker is an exploiting fool and I can't stand him. Yes he was better than the rube Dem he replaced but he still a little short ( met and shook his hand) Napolean bastard I would never vote for. My wife doesn't like it, but she never met him face to face like I.

This is why it is tough for me to vote for either side, they have so many warts.
 
I don't know where your dumb car thing came from to be honest... so I didn't bother responding to it.

Why does one woman in one hospital room get the attention of 10 doctors trying to save the life of a fetus during a miscarriage, where a woman in the room next door decides that fetus should be destroyed.

That's ass backwards - to steal a line from our friend ESP

Because woman one wants the baby, woman two doesn't. How is that ass backwards. It makes perfect logical sense to me. It's not as if woman in room two wants the fetus of the woman in room one's to be destroyed.

THere's this thing called consent, it is pretty damned important.

What you're basically saying is woman A agreed to have sex with a partner, woman B doesn't but is still forced to. What's the difference it's just sex.
 
Hmmm can we move off of the topic of abortion for awhile. I just find it funny how guys in this thread are passionate about this topic yet none of you have a uterus to carry a baby. I really think WOMEN and mainly women should have a say with what they should be able to do with their bodies. NOT men. I mean hell we don't tell you how to control your privates. Stay out of my female parts....I'm just saying.... lol

Anyway can we talk about BLACK WOMEN!!!! This is an issue I struggle with daily. Most people in the world ignore, deny, disrespect and abandon us. From slavery times we were treated like dirt (Can't say dogs because white people treat their pets like kings/queens). We were raped and broken as individuals. In the 20th Century we were told that our bodies, hair, and skin tone was ugly. That true beauty was to look as close as possible to European women. In the entertainment industry we can't have locks or our natural hair because its considered "dirty". Big butts/lips are nasty but beautiful on white women. If you stand up for yourself than you are just a typical black woman with an attitude. Besides Black Women in America do not matter since we are all supposedly stupid and on welfare. Hell to get recognized for an award we have to look white (hair, figure etc), be slaves, maids, wh@res, loud mouths/sassy attitudes, or best friends of the "hot white" lead chick. I mean look at the crap they said about the African actress from 12 years a slave. Oh she speaks so well.... oh she is so beautiful even with that skin tone and non European hair styling. WTF that is some of the nonsense that I have heard. HELLO there are many more black women out there that look just like her and can speak "well". RME we are not all on welfare. There is data out there that there is a rise in Black Women attending and graduating from college. I have my Masters from Rutgers and will be eventually working on my doctorate. Single black women who are buying homes and working full time jobs in demanding career fields. But the facts remain the same we are on the lowest rung in society. Our accomplishments and struggles continue to be ignored.

Even on this board the disrespect has occurred. Were are the Sandra Bland threads? I do not care how much mouth she gave to the officer. He should have wrote her a warning and told her to move on with her funky ass attitude. There was NO need to tell her to get out of her car, pull a gun on her, then slam her on the ground. There is NO WAY in hell I buy that she committed suicide. Stats show that we as black women do not commit this act in a large number. But if we do we damn sure wont be hanging ourselves. If she was a white woman this story would be the main topic each and every day until the cop(s) involved were fired and arrested. I am not just blaming whites or the media. NOPE... where are all of the black men? Do not forget that we black women supported the blacklivesmatter movement too.

Anyway I know this post will be ignored because most of the guys in here probably never thought about a black woman in positive terms. The disrespect of black women may not affect your lives. But just understand this...If we have an attitude, its for good reasons.

*Sorry if my post is all over the place. Been driving most of the night to get back to So. Ga. YAY I might be moving to North GA where I can become a season tix holder for the Braves. I went from NJ gal to moving to FL & So. GA. Oh so close but still so far from the Braves. But now I'm so excited because I've always wanted season tixs to the Braves since a child watching with my Grandpa on good old TBS. *Happy Dance*
 
I don't see why its out of line to suggest that man should have some say in what is done after pregnancy. If the women didn't want to get pregnant so bad then she would have either not had sex with the man, forced him to wear protection(or protection of her own) or even taken birth control. All this talk about absentee fatherism and yet women want to push men away from one of the biggest decisions in both of their lives.
 
Also, nobody gets treated like a second class citizen if you act in a civilized manner.

I do agree with you on the physical appearance thing though. It is a shame that "beauty" is a defined idea. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and I wish that women actually looked at themselves and saw the beauty that they all have. Our society has destroyed women as a whole and fed them a pathetic lie of what life should be and what they should look like.
 
Also, nobody gets treated like a second class citizen if you act in a civilized manner.

I do agree with you on the physical appearance thing though. It is a shame that "beauty" is a defined idea. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and I wish that women actually looked at themselves and saw the beauty that they all have. Our society has destroyed women as a whole and fed them a pathetic lie of what life should be and what they should look like.

Women do the same thing to men only women are more emotional about it.
 
Also, nobody gets treated like a second class citizen if you act in a civilized manner.

I do agree with you on the physical appearance thing though. It is a shame that "beauty" is a defined idea. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and I wish that women actually looked at themselves and saw the beauty that they all have. Our society has destroyed women as a whole and fed them a pathetic lie of what life should be and what they should look like.

WRONG!!!! See this is the point that many white people are missing about the whole BlackLivesMatter movement and why it will continue to gain steam. There are PLENTY of black people who act in decent ways towards authority and people of all races etc. That respect is NOT given back to us. Look at what happened to Oprah several years ago. The woman is rich as sin and disrespected in a high end store because of the color of her skin. We are treated like second class citizens no matter if we act in a civilized manner or not. But we have has ENOUGH!!!! So when you see the attitude we are simply telling you that we are tired of the BS. I can bet you almost every black man who post here can tell you their personal stories about racism. It does not matter if you are rich, college educated, and speak perfect english. Society through media, entertainment and as a whole has told us that being black in America is a sin. No matter how successful we may become...as Kanye stated "Even in a Benz you still a Nigg@ in a coup" to white America.

Sandra Bland did nothing wrong to warrant that treatment. It is time that White people in America make a change. If they want to crush the BlackLivesMatter movement than many have to start treating black people better. Heal the rifts with the Black Community. At the end of the day NOTHING that Ms. Bland did was uncivilized. She demanded explanation. The cop never gave her the reason but because she was a "black" that B!tch need to be put in her place by being treated like dirt. Having an attitude does not make one uncivilized.
 
Reminds me when I acted civilized a few years ago, cops had their weapons pointed at me, handcuffed me and had 8 patrol vehicles come at 2am because the rookie ID'd the wrong plate by a few characters.
 
WRONG!!!! See this is the point that many white people are missing about the whole BlackLivesMatter movement and why it will continue to gain steam. There are PLENTY of black people who act in decent ways towards authority and people of all races etc. That respect is NOT given back to us. Look at what happened to Oprah several years ago. The woman is rich as sin and disrespected in a high end store because of the color of her skin. We are treated like second class citizens no matter if we act in a civilized manner or not. But we have has ENOUGH!!!! So when you see the attitude we are simply telling you that we are tired of the BS. I can bet you almost every black man who post here can tell you their personal stories about racism. It does not matter if you are rich, college educated, and speak perfect english. Society through media, entertainment and as a whole has told us that being black in America is a sin. No matter how successful we may become...as Kanye stated "Even in a Benz you still a Nigg@ in a coup" to white America.

Sandra Bland did nothing wrong to warrant that treatment. It is time that White people in America make a change. If they want to crush the BlackLivesMatter movement than many have to start treating black people better. Heal the rifts with the Black Community. At the end of the day NOTHING that Ms. Bland did was uncivilized. She demanded explanation. The cop never gave her the reason but because she was a "black" that B!tch need to be put in her place by being treated like dirt. Having an attitude does not make one uncivilized.

Okay we are going to fight. As a black man that dated many black women, we have a disagreement on how treatment is assessed. My finding that beautiful women like and smart want us black men to be equals in pay and stature. You might not be the case, but if you really look at it, I DON'T BLAME THEM, but don't throw stones unless you go full monty on it. Also it is a power struggle, again, I agree with the women because we basically effed it up. I mean I almost got married to a black woman who I grew up with and loved to death, but when she got her papers and what not, she changed. I had my papers and she made more than me and then the demands. I thought to myself could I constantly live with that. I decided not to. She was livid when I called it off and just berated every black man in four states. Dogs, idiots, stupid and other names I can't even put on here. All I said to her is why did you change, I was faithful which she acknowledged (well she would have Bobitt me if I did anything) and treated her like a queen, she wanted more. What could I possibly do? She said get a better paying job.

So do not say we do not respect you, just the broke azz nogs that don't want to keep their dick in their pants without protection and those who doesn't want to work.

I went to our warehouse, of the 100 blacks that live in this city including me there is 3 of us that work in the company, there are a two in the warehouse (no, I don't know them, I am an office person) doing a great job and I asked the supervisor about one I saw and pointed him out. How is he doing, he said great worker, wish I had more, then corrected himself, more like him in work ethics not just blacks. Good catch by him. But when I went to him (black guy), I ask how is the company treating you, he said really well. I asked if he had other brothers that need jobs, he said yeah and I said why don't they apply, the pay is good almost double minimum wage. The look he gave me is what I thought, he said that they DID NOT WANT to work.

I can see why some black successful females have problem with black males. The females will work unlike us and if they have kids, a lot of them would work 2 and 3 jobs unlike the deadbeat black dads (ones you see on Springer and Maury) to make sure their kids have the best.

Sorry if I pissed you off Jersey Girl, just keeping it real.
 
Reminds me when I acted civilized a few years ago, cops had their weapons pointed at me, handcuffed me and had 8 patrol vehicles come at 2am because the rookie ID'd the wrong plate by a few characters.

Same thing, but they did not touch me, or someone would have been fired.

I love getting an apology from the chief of police when his keystone cops had too much DWB on the brain.
 
Sandra Bland (blood is boiling)

You do not see riots but what the cops did was beyond what we saw recently.

Blacks RARELY commit suicide and females it is nonexistent.

They edit the tapes trying to hide something.

Sorry Jersey Girl, didn't know you were talking about this. I am too angry to address this now.
 
Reminds me when I acted civilized a few years ago, cops had their weapons pointed at me, handcuffed me and had 8 patrol vehicles come at 2am because the rookie ID'd the wrong plate by a few characters.

Well, I hope you sued.
 
Well, I hope you sued.

I would have. Hence why they did not even attempt to put cuffs on me. Drawing guns and going through their stupid sobriety tests when I was designated driver was absurd. But of course I did Sandra Bland them afterwards, only difference they killed her and let me go and I was WAY worse with them. I called them all kind of names, Keystone Cops was one of them. Only the black cop came to me and told me to shut up, I made my case, but he understood how pissed I was.

Yeah, I could have complained to the media, but Obama wasn't in charge then so it would amount to nothing, today, I probably won a few million for DWB under false pretenses making me go through that bullsiht and drawing a weapon on me.
 
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