Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect
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acesfull86
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Harvard long ago chose a commitment to DEI and pseudoscience over a commitment to academic excellence, free expression, and the pursuit of truth. Hopefully consumers react.
It is a bummer seeing formerly great academic institutions get reduced to laughingstocks.
nsacpi
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Harvahd has been a third rate institution for decades now. They don't even have good ice cream at Harvahd Square.
They offered me a free ride for grad school. I turned them down. They offered my daughter a free ride for grad school. She turned them down. We just didn't want to be associated with such mediocrity.
They offered me a free ride for grad school. I turned them down. They offered my daughter a free ride for grad school. She turned them down. We just didn't want to be associated with such mediocrity.
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acesfull86
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The good news is the higher ed fix isn’t some mystery:
- recommit to free speech (U of Chicago principles are a good start - just follow them!)
- stop taking sides on issues of the day; colleges should be viewpoint neutral and provide the venue for others to debate
- dismantle DEI and throw it in the dumpster where it belongs
- stop ceding your institutions to bureaucrat busybodies
- no more heckler’s vetoes
These ideas aren’t groundbreaking and aren’t all that difficult to implement. But first things first…those presidents who’ve gotten universities to the places they find themselves in now should step aside or be removed because they have no credibility to fix these issues.
- recommit to free speech (U of Chicago principles are a good start - just follow them!)
- stop taking sides on issues of the day; colleges should be viewpoint neutral and provide the venue for others to debate
- dismantle DEI and throw it in the dumpster where it belongs
- stop ceding your institutions to bureaucrat busybodies
- no more heckler’s vetoes
These ideas aren’t groundbreaking and aren’t all that difficult to implement. But first things first…those presidents who’ve gotten universities to the places they find themselves in now should step aside or be removed because they have no credibility to fix these issues.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
It does seem simple doesn't it.
But there will be some bad precedents set here:
1) Pressure will grow to comment on the issues of the day. The next time there is an atrocity (and what Hamas did obviously qualifies as an atrocity) the question will be raised why didn't a school's leadership speak out.
2) Offended groups will be reinforced in their sense that they are entitled to define what is unacceptable hate speech that is harassing and creating an atmosphere of intimidation.
I see a wee bit of irony that people associated with anti-wokeness are coming out in favor of policing against their version of microaggressions.
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sturg33
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It's not hard to tell both points above to **** off and deal with it.
Instead they will be given play dough and a safe space
Tapate50
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Because the school doesn't have to speak out. It is a school. Not a person with an opinion. This "obligation" comes from thinking you are more important than you really are.
Every entity doesn't need to comment on the daily occurrences or take a stand on every issue. They are switzerland. They just are a place\thing.
Every entity doesn't need to comment on the daily occurrences or take a stand on every issue. They are switzerland. They just are a place\thing.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
A large portion of the faculty at these schools are tenured religious fanatics. The fact that their religion is far left social policy doesn't change their need and desire to evangelize. It would be easier to get kudzu out of Georgia than this ideology out of administration, admissions, and curricula.
New College of Florida is a promising alternative. Just have to put tall guardrails in against O'Sullivan's First Law and spread out from there.
And find some way to undercut the endowments.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Did he promise to knock the schools down and make the libs pay for it?
nsacpi
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I agree with this. But it misses the point that a lot of the criticism of the school presidents is their failure to speak out. The criticism started very early after October 7. As far as I'm concerned school presidents were right to be silent on this.
I think where they have failed has been in the tepid response when pro-Palestinian demonstrations have targeted Jewish students and Jewish student organizations. They needed to act forcefully against that and largely failed to do so.
Tapate50
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So what?
You can get criticized but it doesn't have to compel anyone to say or do anything. Grow a spine. Stop being yellow. The presidents that weren't outspoken have been just fine.
Life goes on.
Yes, targeted attacks should be out of bounds for all students. This isn't hard.
You can get criticized but it doesn't have to compel anyone to say or do anything. Grow a spine. Stop being yellow. The presidents that weren't outspoken have been just fine.
Life goes on.
Yes, targeted attacks should be out of bounds for all students. This isn't hard.
sturg33
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The issue was not that they didn't speak out... but this was the first time they refrained from doing so
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
The issue is not their failure to speak out about the harassment of Jews. The issue is their failure to speak out about the harassment of Jews when visiting speakers, faculty, or students get kicked out for statements or views that a favored group can find something to complain about.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Yeah. I saw someone say that this story has blown up because the Jewish community thought they were seen as one of the protected classes, but now they realize the protected classes just see then as white. There is some truth in that.