Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect
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sturg33
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Hakeem understands that he can say retarded things and you will be a reliable voter
sturg33
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You're the guy who is more interested in dental records in Louisiana than how a ravaging fire burned the city of Los Angeles to the ground
I know mentally retarded children who are more curious than you
Tapate50
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https://reason.com/2018/10/03/dog-rape-hoax-papers-pluckrose-lindsay/
I had completely forgotten about these people duping the academic world into publishing their nonsense.
Inspecting dog genitalia to study canine rape culture at dog parks
Masculine narratives on glacier science
These folks nailed it….
I had completely forgotten about these people duping the academic world into publishing their nonsense.
Inspecting dog genitalia to study canine rape culture at dog parks
Masculine narratives on glacier science
These folks nailed it….
I just find this generally boring and ****ty, despite agreeing with the absurdity of the journals. The Journal of Poetry Therapy or Fat Studies simply aren’t doing anything to affect the average person, and are made for people specifically concerned with such topics.
I don’t like the “I convinced a bunch of Trump supporters to openly support [insert liberal cause] and filmed it” videos for the same reason. Sometimes there’s just no point in dunking on people in certain ways.
Okay, but these are niche focuses of study. I don’t need James Lindsay to use a chatbot to fake a study about canine rape culture to confirm that some academic journals/studies are ridiculous. That someone can use fake data isn’t a new revelation because we’ve veered away from hard science and into **** that would be pretty difficult to contest if you assume the people writing for obscure sociology journals are doing so in good faith.
It doesn’t mean other academic pursuits are bad as a result. Even these ridiculous ones serve a purpose, though far less important purposes that perhaps we shouldn’t give out guaranteed student loans for interested students to pursue. The world is a better place when it has more people learning about it, we just shouldn’t subsidize all of it.
sturg33
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You do need James Lindsey to do that to expose how big of frauds they are. You shouldn't take academic journals seriously because they are activists. Uncurious people who only aim to prove their priors. We see this daily from the academic who is more interest in the dental records of lousianians than the policy failures of a state who just had their largest city burned to the ground
I understand where you’re going with this, but I think this is still missing the mark. Certain papers and journals are for very specific audiences who are deeply interested in the subject. The average person will never, ever hear about the goings-on in these journals. To wit, this all happened in 2018 and here we are discussing it like some new current event because none of us had organically come across it.
I respect your point on the distinction between academics vs. laypeople, but I could find countless “authoritative” sources of conservative nonsense as well. If I pretended to be a theologian and used a chatbot to generate a paper on some absurd claim that might be tacitly supported by scripture, I could likely pull a reverse Lindsay. Hell, one of my two degrees is in philosophy, and I’m positive that there’s some journal of philosophy that could be pushed to do the same. It doesn’t mean that philosophy as a whole should be thrown out, but rather that studies and journals in these fields should be understood to be for a very small audience that has a specific interest in the subject matter.
We shouldn’t be (and generally aren’t) making policy based on one person publishing a study in an obscure journal. But I think the world is a better place when people are doing work that they’re interested in and learning new things about the world. Not everything has to be objective or broadly-appealing.
sturg33
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Ok... but you continue to miss the point. This "journal" doing research it's interested in, accepted fake data without scrutinizing it because it confirmed what it wanted it to.
That is not uncommon in academia... it is the norm. And the reader accepts it as legitimate bc it's a peer reviewed study and we grew up being taught that that is the gold standard.
As it turns out, fhe majority of academics are frauds.
See, I think you’re being fair about some of the details, but coming to an unsupported conclusion here. For one, these types of journals are generally not just filled with reactionaries publishing intentionally fraudulent data to own the libs. And generally I don’t think it’s just “accepted” by the community. That’s why they have continued to study things, because they don’t simply accept prior conclusions. That’s not to say that silly things don’t happen, but it’s typically at least genuinely researched or tracked, then discussed amongst each other, both critically and positively.
Did USAID pay for this article?
Tapate50
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lol
The left is absolutely, positively cooked unless they can get past this FAFO push on Trump voters being impacted by these spending freezes/cuts. Farmers struggling with contracts cancelled by EO or folks that lost their job because of some government cut are indeed “finding out” that not only does Donald Trump not care about them if they’re affected, but that the left will just insult them rather than try to work together with them to save jobs/farms.
I’m accused a lot of “suicidal empathy” by a couple of you, but it’s my belief that empathy mustn’t be as selective as the left generally seems to. If I’m going to worry about the migrants turned away at the border or the children in Africa, I must also worry about the Trump voter being ****ed over by the government. If I’m going to care about institutional racism, I must also care about the “mediocre white boys” in Appalachia that have been abandoned by both parties as well. Just like I vote (D) because I see no viable alternative, a lot of folks aren’t voting Trump because they like everything he says, but because they have struggled for years and the things Dems are offering won’t help. A farmer in rural Missouri isn’t going to vote blue because Trump is “bad” on trans rights or immigration, because that person might never even have a reason to think about those groups in their daily lives. I sincerely hope the left can find a way to see that you can care about and push social issues without not caring about the people that don’t.
I’m accused a lot of “suicidal empathy” by a couple of you, but it’s my belief that empathy mustn’t be as selective as the left generally seems to. If I’m going to worry about the migrants turned away at the border or the children in Africa, I must also worry about the Trump voter being ****ed over by the government. If I’m going to care about institutional racism, I must also care about the “mediocre white boys” in Appalachia that have been abandoned by both parties as well. Just like I vote (D) because I see no viable alternative, a lot of folks aren’t voting Trump because they like everything he says, but because they have struggled for years and the things Dems are offering won’t help. A farmer in rural Missouri isn’t going to vote blue because Trump is “bad” on trans rights or immigration, because that person might never even have a reason to think about those groups in their daily lives. I sincerely hope the left can find a way to see that you can care about and push social issues without not caring about the people that don’t.
nsacpi
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Innovation should lead to efficiencies in how government services are delivered. There is nothing wrong with reducing the governmental workforce. If done correctly DOGE could perform a great service in this regard.
There will be occasional horror stories about how grandma's hip replacement was delayed, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact governmental bloat is real and there is a fair amount of low-hanging fruit out there to be plucked in terms of making it more efficient.
As someone who believes government can make a positive difference in many areas, I strongly want it do so in an efficient manner. Taxpayers are right to want their money used properly and efficiently.
But I can't help but point out that there are some pretty interesting spending projects that my conservative friends seem to have overlooked over the years. Just to cite one fascinating example. There is a Creation Museum in Kentucky. Nothing wrong with that. But did the Kentucky taxpayer need to fund it to the tune of $50 million.
https://creationmuseum.org/
Speaking of creationism and evolution. We can be thankful it now appears to be a largely settled issue. I suspect with the perspective of time we will look back on some of our current controversies and wonder what the fuss was all about.
There will be occasional horror stories about how grandma's hip replacement was delayed, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact governmental bloat is real and there is a fair amount of low-hanging fruit out there to be plucked in terms of making it more efficient.
As someone who believes government can make a positive difference in many areas, I strongly want it do so in an efficient manner. Taxpayers are right to want their money used properly and efficiently.
But I can't help but point out that there are some pretty interesting spending projects that my conservative friends seem to have overlooked over the years. Just to cite one fascinating example. There is a Creation Museum in Kentucky. Nothing wrong with that. But did the Kentucky taxpayer need to fund it to the tune of $50 million.
https://creationmuseum.org/
Speaking of creationism and evolution. We can be thankful it now appears to be a largely settled issue. I suspect with the perspective of time we will look back on some of our current controversies and wonder what the fuss was all about.
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chop2chip
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Bob who process payments still wants to make it home by 5pm to eat dinner with his family. He’ll probably look up a few Excel tricks to make his life easier if he has to do the work of two people now.